Harry Reid and friends turned us into Greece
If this doesn't scare the heck out of you, then you've not been paying attention.
The Obama/Reid/Pelosi policies are poised to financially swamp us as a nation.
Consider this excerpt from The Hill on the magnitude of the fiscal irresponsibility demonstrated by Congress and the White House in the last year:
"The CBO projects that Obama's policies would produce deficits averaging nearly $1 trillion for the next decade.
"The deficit would bottom out in 2014 at a level equal to 4.1 percent of gross domestic product, which is higher than the 3 percent level considered to be sustainable by the White House and independent economists. Deficits would again rise after 2014.
"The debt-to-GDP ratio would go from 63 percent this year to 90 percent by 2020, the CBO said. A 'select group of countries,' including Greece, which is facing a fiscal crisis, have debt levels that high, which is 'worrisome,' Elmendorf said. "
Worrisome? Well, no kidding. Harry Reid owes Americans a detailed explanation.
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Some thing does need to be done and lets vote for people that intend to do something about it.I'm not sure that a detailed explanation about the many hundreds of of people in Congress the last 9 or 10 and 8 years of Bush and and 15 months of Obama have gotten us where we are today will do any good.
Of course, there are two things that Mr. Frederick leaves out:
(a) according to a report by the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities that utilizes the same CBO data, President Obama's policies will reduce the deficit by more than $1.3 trillion over the next decade, compared to the policies in place from his predecessor;
(b) according to the same study, "the deficits overwhelmingly reflect the policies that Obama inherited, not new policies that he is proposing." Those policies include the unfunded prescription drug benefit, the unfunded Iraq War and the unfunded 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
(a) according to a report by the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities that utilizes the same CBO data, President Obama's policies will reduce the deficit by more than $1.3 trillion over the next decade, compared to the policies in place from his predecessor;
(b) according to the same study, "the deficits overwhelmingly reflect the policies that Obama inherited, not new policies that he is proposing." Those policies include the unfunded prescription drug benefit, the unfunded Iraq War and the unfunded 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
You lie to divert. These deficits are real and they threaten to sink the nation as we know it. Stop making excuses and tell us how the current president plans to avoid disaster. By spending more???
What worries me most is how fast we've managed to get here and if you couple it with what is going on with the Russians right now - we are being sold down the river.
While we all have our eye on healthcare and the deficit - Obama is now putting national security at risk with his new policies with Russia.
Listen to his talk today and tell me he isn't selling us out. Whoever is pulling the strings at the white house is doing is fantastic job - if you think this progress is the right progress!
While we all have our eye on healthcare and the deficit - Obama is now putting national security at risk with his new policies with Russia.
Listen to his talk today and tell me he isn't selling us out. Whoever is pulling the strings at the white house is doing is fantastic job - if you think this progress is the right progress!
Mr. Frederick: tell you what - instead of just throwing out an angry accusation, try to commit an actual act of journalism by demonstrating precisely where in my comment I have (as you so elegantly put it) "lied" to your readers. That way, I can usefully respond. Until then, all you have given us are irritable mental gestures
nyp:
Surely you jest; you want this guy to debate with the TRUTH!
HA!
I say again; HA!
"We don't need no stinking facts"
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Surely you jest; you want this guy to debate with the TRUTH!
HA!
I say again; HA!
"We don't need no stinking facts"
buggy whip
If you actually read the Hill story linked to the blog, it would help. So stop diverting and respond to the point: "The CBO projects that Obama's policies would produce deficits averaging nearly $1 trillion for the next decade." If you want to defend the president (as you do in knee-jerk fashion) then tell us what the heck he's going to do about the coming financial tsunami that according to the CBO will produce crushing debt of Greek magnitude. Another Obama spending program, perhaps?
Mr. Frederick: that's an excellent start, for which you should be commended!
Of course, you still have not done anything at all to demonstrate that anything I said in my comment was, as you charged, a "lie." And not a word in the article from The Hill on the CBO report is inconsistent with my comment, which, in fact, relies on the same CBO analysis. Still, I don't want to discourage you from at least trying to engage with your critics in a substantive way. Keep at it, Mr. Frederick!
The problem, however, is that the very premise of your post is false. Using the same CBO baseline projections to which you refer, it is clear that President Obama's budget policies lead to federal debts more than a trillion dollars lower than they would have been under a continuation of Republican policies. And you have pretty much given up denying that the bulk of the deficit problem -- and I agree it is a serious problem -- stems from the disasterious fiscal decisions made by a Republican President and a Republican Congress that turned President Clinton's budget surpluses into record deficits under the theory that, as Vice-President Cheney explained in 2002, "Ronald Reagan proved that deficits do not matter."
So the notion that "Harry Reid and friends turned us into Greece" is, as you would put it, "a lie."
Of course, you still have not done anything at all to demonstrate that anything I said in my comment was, as you charged, a "lie." And not a word in the article from The Hill on the CBO report is inconsistent with my comment, which, in fact, relies on the same CBO analysis. Still, I don't want to discourage you from at least trying to engage with your critics in a substantive way. Keep at it, Mr. Frederick!
The problem, however, is that the very premise of your post is false. Using the same CBO baseline projections to which you refer, it is clear that President Obama's budget policies lead to federal debts more than a trillion dollars lower than they would have been under a continuation of Republican policies. And you have pretty much given up denying that the bulk of the deficit problem -- and I agree it is a serious problem -- stems from the disasterious fiscal decisions made by a Republican President and a Republican Congress that turned President Clinton's budget surpluses into record deficits under the theory that, as Vice-President Cheney explained in 2002, "Ronald Reagan proved that deficits do not matter."
So the notion that "Harry Reid and friends turned us into Greece" is, as you would put it, "a lie."
Anyway, I will grant Mr. Frederick's wish, and will provide my ideas on what should be done about a deficit problem that, although not a real problem for the next several years, will turn into a real problem around the year 2020, when the deficit will be a GDP percentage equivalent to what we confronted at the end of the Reagan and beginning of the GHW Bush administrations. By that time we will need between 3-4% of GDP in either additional revenues or cost savings in order to reduce the deficit to a manageable amount. My own suggestion is that we restore tax levels to what they were during the benighted, no-growth Clinton years, and that we stop invading other countries and cut back a bit on the defense budget. That should comfortably fill the gap.
Perhaps Mr. Frederick thinks my proposal is terrible. So be it. But at lease I have made it. What is Mr. Frederick's prescription?
Perhaps Mr. Frederick thinks my proposal is terrible. So be it. But at lease I have made it. What is Mr. Frederick's prescription?
You would think that with as many lies as this "writer" republishes/publishes on these pages that he would know what a lie is; wouldn't you?
Obviously though, as he has shown by calling what nyp wrote, or should I say pasted, he doesn't have a clue what a lie is.
I suggest you read maybe a couple of the things you republish/publish and then you might know.
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Obviously though, as he has shown by calling what nyp wrote, or should I say pasted, he doesn't have a clue what a lie is.
I suggest you read maybe a couple of the things you republish/publish and then you might know.
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L2v0r0j9 Stop spending. It's not brain surgery.
Why Nyp, if we restore tax levels to the clinton years, how on earth will we pay for our wonderfully mandatory government health care? Oh yeah....more taxes(VAT?)...so that one is shot right out of the water.
Cut back on defense? Now? While our defenses are constantly being tested by terrorists all around the world. Fantastic! You sound like you may be on Obama's inner cabinet.
FYI, we go to these places to hunt down these terrorists who have waged war on us, to protect American people and values. Although now with Obama inc., I'm not sure who poses the most risk to these things anymore.
Lower taxes and small business friendly, fiscally responsible policies will be what sees us through this slump, but only if we manage to evict some of these wingnuts who currently reside in D.C. THIS November!
Not that
Cut back on defense? Now? While our defenses are constantly being tested by terrorists all around the world. Fantastic! You sound like you may be on Obama's inner cabinet.
FYI, we go to these places to hunt down these terrorists who have waged war on us, to protect American people and values. Although now with Obama inc., I'm not sure who poses the most risk to these things anymore.
Lower taxes and small business friendly, fiscally responsible policies will be what sees us through this slump, but only if we manage to evict some of these wingnuts who currently reside in D.C. THIS November!
Not that
This is truly the beginning of the end.
The Entitlement Nation will should start crashing upon our heads.
The Entitlement Nation will should start crashing upon our heads.
L2v0r0j9 hehe
First of all, Harry Reid doesn't have a clue. Anyone want to remember Barney Franks glowing report about Fannie and Freddie in June of '08? Well Barnie is light years ahead of Harry in the brains department. Sorry Harry, but you really need to enjoy your senior years and let someone with all their mental faculties get us out of this mess.
Secondly, what if.....Clower and Piven theory is for real? What if Obama WANTS to implode the country using the Clower and Piven strategy? For those that are uninitiated, it basically overloads the social systems (welfare, government medical care, Unemployment for life, etc) until it produces an economic meltdown. At that point, a strong leader steps in and basically declares something on the order of Marshall Law. That would make a lot of what Dr. Utopia does, become more understandable.
Like I stated in a previous post, you could take the top 400 wealthiest people in America ($1.25 trillion combined wealth) an spend it in less that 4 months, with this crowd. (Sorry Bill Gates, you gotta go!)
But who do you roll for the rest of the year?
Secondly, what if.....Clower and Piven theory is for real? What if Obama WANTS to implode the country using the Clower and Piven strategy? For those that are uninitiated, it basically overloads the social systems (welfare, government medical care, Unemployment for life, etc) until it produces an economic meltdown. At that point, a strong leader steps in and basically declares something on the order of Marshall Law. That would make a lot of what Dr. Utopia does, become more understandable.
Like I stated in a previous post, you could take the top 400 wealthiest people in America ($1.25 trillion combined wealth) an spend it in less that 4 months, with this crowd. (Sorry Bill Gates, you gotta go!)
But who do you roll for the rest of the year?
And I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the obvious to all our liberal posting friends here on Sherm's blog.
I feel your pain.
Honestly.
Your last great president was busted getting a BJ from a 21 year old intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE. Ouch. That HAD to hurt. Nixon was our great embarrassment but we sure don't spout on about how great he was opening up China at every opportunity. (I was young enough to be grateful he ended the war and I didn't get drafted) But Nixon didn't get impeached! Only 2 Presidents have that distinction, Andrew Johnson and BJ Clinton.
And then that moron Al Gore (inventor of the internet and "no controlling legal authority) himself, was your standard bearer that got beat by Jorge Bush. Wow. Talk about the double whammy.
Now you got Dr. Utopia, spending money on a pace that makes Jorge look like Scrooge McDuck. We're 15 months into his watch and we're already talking about a financial Armageddon. You all better pray that the Repubs take back the house and senate, or just get ready to be fitted for shackles.
So when you all get a little testy, and say the dumb things you're prone to say, we understand. We certainly don't like the stubborn way you ignore reality.
But we understand.
I feel your pain.
Honestly.
Your last great president was busted getting a BJ from a 21 year old intern, IN THE OVAL OFFICE. Ouch. That HAD to hurt. Nixon was our great embarrassment but we sure don't spout on about how great he was opening up China at every opportunity. (I was young enough to be grateful he ended the war and I didn't get drafted) But Nixon didn't get impeached! Only 2 Presidents have that distinction, Andrew Johnson and BJ Clinton.
And then that moron Al Gore (inventor of the internet and "no controlling legal authority) himself, was your standard bearer that got beat by Jorge Bush. Wow. Talk about the double whammy.
Now you got Dr. Utopia, spending money on a pace that makes Jorge look like Scrooge McDuck. We're 15 months into his watch and we're already talking about a financial Armageddon. You all better pray that the Repubs take back the house and senate, or just get ready to be fitted for shackles.
So when you all get a little testy, and say the dumb things you're prone to say, we understand. We certainly don't like the stubborn way you ignore reality.
But we understand.
Pretty remarkable lack of specificity from my Republican friends here as to what they would actually do to reduce the federal deficit.
When someone has some serious proposals with some actual numbers, please let me know.
When someone has some serious proposals with some actual numbers, please let me know.
) The Obama/Reid/Pelosi policies are poised to financially swamp us as a nation.
It was the Bush/Cheney/GOP policies that got us in this condition.
It's the Obama/Reid/Pelosi policies that saved us from a depression, pulling us out of a recession; saved the auto industry (they're paying us back, with interest); saved the banks (they're paying us back, with interest); save AIG (they're paying us back, with interest); the market is up; our casinos are reporting increased income; healthcare is being reformed; retail sales are up; CBO reports savings…..
You want to reevaluate your above sentence again, Sherman; or just yell, "LIE!"?
I see your support here can only cry, "Harry is clueless!"
It was the Bush/Cheney/GOP policies that got us in this condition.
It's the Obama/Reid/Pelosi policies that saved us from a depression, pulling us out of a recession; saved the auto industry (they're paying us back, with interest); saved the banks (they're paying us back, with interest); save AIG (they're paying us back, with interest); the market is up; our casinos are reporting increased income; healthcare is being reformed; retail sales are up; CBO reports savings…..
You want to reevaluate your above sentence again, Sherman; or just yell, "LIE!"?
I see your support here can only cry, "Harry is clueless!"
... and by his friends you mean George Walker Bush.
Nyp said:
"Pretty remarkable lack of specificity from my Republican friends here as to what they would actually do to reduce the federal deficit.
When someone has some serious proposals with some actual numbers, please let me know."
See post above, buddy. It was you who, when asked, could not provide one single thing besides asinine, simplistic answers like: 'reduce defense spending' (idiotic), 'Clinton tax structure' (impossible, thanks to our current big spending admin.), and last but not least 'stop fighting our enemies in other countries' (see first response).
"Pretty remarkable lack of specificity from my Republican friends here as to what they would actually do to reduce the federal deficit.
When someone has some serious proposals with some actual numbers, please let me know."
See post above, buddy. It was you who, when asked, could not provide one single thing besides asinine, simplistic answers like: 'reduce defense spending' (idiotic), 'Clinton tax structure' (impossible, thanks to our current big spending admin.), and last but not least 'stop fighting our enemies in other countries' (see first response).
to "Jon": your own prescription for addressing the future deficit problem is to reduce federal revenues by cutting taxes. That doesn't make the deficit smaller, it makes it bigger.
Your other recommendation, that we enact "small business friendly, fiscally responsible policies" doesn't exactly meet the specificity test.
"Athos," on the other hand, along with Thomas Mitchell, has a specific, completely coherent, intellectually honest solution: abolish Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I happen to disagree with that, but at least they are being candid about the Republican approach.
Your other recommendation, that we enact "small business friendly, fiscally responsible policies" doesn't exactly meet the specificity test.
"Athos," on the other hand, along with Thomas Mitchell, has a specific, completely coherent, intellectually honest solution: abolish Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I happen to disagree with that, but at least they are being candid about the Republican approach.
nyp - I point you back to the Clinton years when Bill moved to the center, worked with the Republicans and balanced the budget. The last 6 years of the Bush administration also had a split congress and white house - only the Democrats spent, Bush spent and nobody stopped anybody.
Now, along comes a President who is hell bent on taking the country into unchartered territory - the independents gave hime ultimate control. A once in a lifetime event where he is bound by nobody.
While were are all fighting about healthcare and deficits - he is planning much worse - just follow his day to day...
Even Stupak can't stay on after this
Now, along comes a President who is hell bent on taking the country into unchartered territory - the independents gave hime ultimate control. A once in a lifetime event where he is bound by nobody.
While were are all fighting about healthcare and deficits - he is planning much worse - just follow his day to day...
Even Stupak can't stay on after this
> We're 15 months into his watch and we're already talking about a financial Armageddon.
The crazed are --- that's for sure. Making that humerus is you were stone cold silent when the real damage was being done. Hard to take you serious, under the circumstances.
> You lie to divert.
Sherm, do you know what the term "projection" means??
The crazed are --- that's for sure. Making that humerus is you were stone cold silent when the real damage was being done. Hard to take you serious, under the circumstances.
> You lie to divert.
Sherm, do you know what the term "projection" means??
Here we go again wth the rants and the rages. I think I will just stick with the CBO figures, somehow I have more faith in them than in anything you print. Please remember that we inherited all this from 8 years of Bush. The mess we are in is the fault of the Republicans so do not blame Senator Reid. Where or where are your journalistic ethics.
Timtom - do you know Presidents don't spend - congress does? We gave this President the longest reach of any recent President and he's taking it.
Yep Bush was wrong, but the Bush Congress was worse. Obama has made their spending look like chump change.
This is one bad dude
What I don't get is that when people have no money left to come to Vegas - don't we all lose? A dirty bomb isn't going to hurt just children of conservatives!
Yep Bush was wrong, but the Bush Congress was worse. Obama has made their spending look like chump change.
This is one bad dude
What I don't get is that when people have no money left to come to Vegas - don't we all lose? A dirty bomb isn't going to hurt just children of conservatives!
Martha, you poor pathetic talking point you.
Had I not known the author's identity, I would have guessed it was Glenn Beck or other of the assorted angries out there.
It's good that you're concerned about our nation's financial picture. Better late than never. I don't recall your hand-wringing when we went from surplus to trillion dollar deficits before Obama was elected.
Just think of how much more we'd have if your boy George hadn't it squandered it by going to war in Iraq. Sounds almost like you're rooting for the worst to happen just to prove your point.
Your demeanor proves again that freedom of the press is guaranteed to those who own one. And why anyone looking for objective journalism needs to look elsewhere than the RJ or your blog.
It's good that you're concerned about our nation's financial picture. Better late than never. I don't recall your hand-wringing when we went from surplus to trillion dollar deficits before Obama was elected.
Just think of how much more we'd have if your boy George hadn't it squandered it by going to war in Iraq. Sounds almost like you're rooting for the worst to happen just to prove your point.
Your demeanor proves again that freedom of the press is guaranteed to those who own one. And why anyone looking for objective journalism needs to look elsewhere than the RJ or your blog.
Sherm, don't you mean YOU turned the R-J into Greece? Check out a reputable media website:
http://mediamatters.org/research/201003220062
By the way, Sherm, care to discuss R-J profits and the furloughing of your staff?
http://mediamatters.org/research/201003220062
By the way, Sherm, care to discuss R-J profits and the furloughing of your staff?
Sherm wrote, "You lie to divert."
That is laughable. The same could be said about most of the garbage you write every day.
That is laughable. The same could be said about most of the garbage you write every day.
LindaT, thanks for your contribution to the discussion. 15 months into Dr. Utopia's regime, and your ideas as to impending implosion of National Debt is to Bash Bush. I wonder if that's an acceptable defense for not paying my mortgage? (it's Bush's fault!) Then George Soros, of BankWest, will of course say, "No problem. Stay as long as you like! No more trouble for YOU!"
It's got to be tough to be a lefty, when your champions are BJ Clinton, Algore, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and the new guy, Dr. Utopia. Not exactly role models for our kids, eh?
And no comments on Clower/Pivan? Oh, that must have hit the mark (which is a very worrisome thing).
It's got to be tough to be a lefty, when your champions are BJ Clinton, Algore, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, and the new guy, Dr. Utopia. Not exactly role models for our kids, eh?
And no comments on Clower/Pivan? Oh, that must have hit the mark (which is a very worrisome thing).
The CBO scoring shows but a portion of the depth of the problem for it's projection is mitigated by the Obama / Reid projected savings of 500 Billion in medicare savings. Savings which is used to fund major portions of the new health care entitlement. Savings which fail to include the pending "doctor fix" projected at 200 Billion; savings which fail to make medicare solvent and savings which fail to address the future solvency of Medicare; which every responsible economist says is a lurking disaster. Not being alarmed requires believers to accept the deception and move from denial to delusion.
) While were are all fighting about healthcare and deficits - he
) [President Obama] is planning much worse - just follow his day to day...
What is he planning, Dave?
) Yep Bush was wrong, but the Bush Congress was worse. Obama has
) made their spending look like chump change.
You still don’t understand the need for stimulus? The Republicans did. They started it under Bush. Didn't you get your check from Bush? President' Obama's plan starts paying it back. Bush's plan was, tax cuts for the rich and to INCREASE the national debt. Which do you prefer?
And quit the phony crying about the CBO figures. Show us yours. And about your; "40% of doctors are going to quit if the healthcare bill passes;" how's that working out for you?
) [President Obama] is planning much worse - just follow his day to day...
What is he planning, Dave?
) Yep Bush was wrong, but the Bush Congress was worse. Obama has
) made their spending look like chump change.
You still don’t understand the need for stimulus? The Republicans did. They started it under Bush. Didn't you get your check from Bush? President' Obama's plan starts paying it back. Bush's plan was, tax cuts for the rich and to INCREASE the national debt. Which do you prefer?
And quit the phony crying about the CBO figures. Show us yours. And about your; "40% of doctors are going to quit if the healthcare bill passes;" how's that working out for you?
Boy Athos, for a "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, American", (your description of yourself, not mine).
You sure seem happy you were never called upon to actually provide any service, take a risk, or make a sacrifice.
I guess that was for guys like me, the guy you call a "communist" who actually did serve in Vietnam,(combat veteran/Purple Heart)...Nothing special, you don't have to be heroic to be wounded, just unlucky.
But I'm not surprised....Actually its pretty typical of the far-right, chickenhawk crowd...ie.....
"Other priorities", Cheney...
"Bad knees" Slimbaugh and Wolfowitz,...
"Thank you daddy", Texas fighter Ace Bush, ..etc...etc...
I guess we "communist", as you call me and others who disagree with you, just aren't as smart as you, "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, Americans".
We're so stupid, we actually "walked the walk", instead of just "talking the talk"....
You sure seem happy you were never called upon to actually provide any service, take a risk, or make a sacrifice.
I guess that was for guys like me, the guy you call a "communist" who actually did serve in Vietnam,(combat veteran/Purple Heart)...Nothing special, you don't have to be heroic to be wounded, just unlucky.
But I'm not surprised....Actually its pretty typical of the far-right, chickenhawk crowd...ie.....
"Other priorities", Cheney...
"Bad knees" Slimbaugh and Wolfowitz,...
"Thank you daddy", Texas fighter Ace Bush, ..etc...etc...
I guess we "communist", as you call me and others who disagree with you, just aren't as smart as you, "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, Americans".
We're so stupid, we actually "walked the walk", instead of just "talking the talk"....
In order to restore our finances, as a nation, we need to return to constitutional law, circa. 1830s. End all welfare, period. End all moneys to foreign nations. Reduce the federal government.
You want an example? Cut and paste this story about Davey Crockett (Fess Parker, for you oldsters)
http://www.personalliberty.com/liberty/sockdolager-a-tale-of-davy-crockett-charity-and-congress/
You want an example? Cut and paste this story about Davey Crockett (Fess Parker, for you oldsters)
http://www.personalliberty.com/liberty/sockdolager-a-tale-of-davy-crockett-charity-and-congress/
Don, thank you for your service in that miserable war, that politicians wouldn't let us win. I've always considered Viet Nam as a blueprint for getting the most virtuous, principled leaders for our country. I don't know how you feel about it, but would be interested in hearing it.
My story is simple. I was 18 in 1973. My Selective Service number was 42, which meant had they not ended the draft, I would have probably been stationed in Germany or Spain, like my friend who were 2 years older than me. I wasn't a draft dodger, that's just the luck of the draw.
Am I happy about not fighting in Viet Nam? Well, you were there. Is war something that you'd recommend for your friends, family, sons? My father and uncles were in WW2. They looked at their service as something that had to be done, and as responsible adults, they answered the call.
That's what I'd like to see. Our country return to the individual responsibility, accountability, and virtuous integrity that made us the greatest nation on earth. Is it tough to lose your job, to fail? Having lost many jobs myself, the answer is yes. I got back up, learned from my mistakes, tightened my belt, and got another job.
I don't think it's the American way, to wait for someone else to bail me out. After reaching the age of 18, my parents wouldn't do it. And I'm a better man today because they weren't enablers.
And Communism is a style of governance that promises much, but delivers little. If you really want to help the masses, donate to your church. When you look at how HUD treats our poor, it's criminal. Thus my opposition to all things socialist in nature.
Do you understand?
My story is simple. I was 18 in 1973. My Selective Service number was 42, which meant had they not ended the draft, I would have probably been stationed in Germany or Spain, like my friend who were 2 years older than me. I wasn't a draft dodger, that's just the luck of the draw.
Am I happy about not fighting in Viet Nam? Well, you were there. Is war something that you'd recommend for your friends, family, sons? My father and uncles were in WW2. They looked at their service as something that had to be done, and as responsible adults, they answered the call.
That's what I'd like to see. Our country return to the individual responsibility, accountability, and virtuous integrity that made us the greatest nation on earth. Is it tough to lose your job, to fail? Having lost many jobs myself, the answer is yes. I got back up, learned from my mistakes, tightened my belt, and got another job.
I don't think it's the American way, to wait for someone else to bail me out. After reaching the age of 18, my parents wouldn't do it. And I'm a better man today because they weren't enablers.
And Communism is a style of governance that promises much, but delivers little. If you really want to help the masses, donate to your church. When you look at how HUD treats our poor, it's criminal. Thus my opposition to all things socialist in nature.
Do you understand?
Jerry, I would prefer you stuck to some sense of reality about the past. If Obama triples Bush's debt - who spent more?
What is Obama planning? Open your eyes. Even Stupak can't stomach it any more. He's leaving after 18 years and being the deciding vote on the most important piece of legislation in history. Tells me something.
What is Obama planning? Open your eyes. Even Stupak can't stomach it any more. He's leaving after 18 years and being the deciding vote on the most important piece of legislation in history. Tells me something.
Wow...just...wow!
You got a guy here who preaches about this country returning to:
"the individual responsibility, accountability, and virtuous integrity..."
on one hand, and on the other hand admitting that he himself couldn't do this:
"My story is simple. I was 18 in 1973. My Selective Service number was 42, which meant had they not ended the draft, I would have probably been stationed in Germany or Spain, like my friend who were 2 years older than me. I wasn't a draft dodger, that's just the luck of the draw."
Even though, according to this same guy, the war was one of the most virtuous things this country has ever done:
"I've always considered Viet Nam as a blueprint for getting the most virtuous, principled leaders for our country."
I mean, do you need say anything more about the unbridled, shameless hypocrisy?
You got a guy here who preaches about this country returning to:
"the individual responsibility, accountability, and virtuous integrity..."
on one hand, and on the other hand admitting that he himself couldn't do this:
"My story is simple. I was 18 in 1973. My Selective Service number was 42, which meant had they not ended the draft, I would have probably been stationed in Germany or Spain, like my friend who were 2 years older than me. I wasn't a draft dodger, that's just the luck of the draw."
Even though, according to this same guy, the war was one of the most virtuous things this country has ever done:
"I've always considered Viet Nam as a blueprint for getting the most virtuous, principled leaders for our country."
I mean, do you need say anything more about the unbridled, shameless hypocrisy?
Ah, little p, you can do better than that, can't you?
We need to ELECT "the most virtuous, principled leaders for our country
" so we DON'T REPEAT the blunders of Viet Nam.
Have you been asleep for the last 8 years?
We need to ELECT "the most virtuous, principled leaders for our country
" so we DON'T REPEAT the blunders of Viet Nam.
Have you been asleep for the last 8 years?
Altos:
You talk about virtue. You talk about responsibility. You talk about integrity. You talk about the founding fathers bravery, and courage, to establish this great country.
Then, you admit that you don't have the integrity to take responsibility to stand up for the country because "your number wasn't called"
I call that hypocrisy.
You talk about virtue. You talk about responsibility. You talk about integrity. You talk about the founding fathers bravery, and courage, to establish this great country.
Then, you admit that you don't have the integrity to take responsibility to stand up for the country because "your number wasn't called"
I call that hypocrisy.
Jeez, little p. You've won me over with your superior reasoning skills. Where do I send my Dr. Utopia/Acorn/Soros donation check?
Wow. Isn't democracy grand?
Wow. Isn't democracy grand?
No Nyp, wrong again.
You get healthy by first making working Joe American financially healthy, who by the way, in Obama world, is most likely in the high tax bracket. You do that by lowering taxes, not by taking more from him to pay for gigantic spending plans and distributing to people who contribute less.
Growing deficits by cutting back in the short term is alot different than growing deficits by spending what you do not have. One is sustainable, the former just pushes the problem to our kids and grandkids.
You get healthy by first making working Joe American financially healthy, who by the way, in Obama world, is most likely in the high tax bracket. You do that by lowering taxes, not by taking more from him to pay for gigantic spending plans and distributing to people who contribute less.
Growing deficits by cutting back in the short term is alot different than growing deficits by spending what you do not have. One is sustainable, the former just pushes the problem to our kids and grandkids.
Jon, you are right. The problems is comrad obama is not interested in solving the problem, he needs the problem - and he needs it to get worse.
Watch what he does with the Justice Stevens nomination.
Watch what he does with the Justice Stevens nomination.
Altos, Altos, Altos.
No reasoning is not your thing, and no amount of it will ever change your mind about anything.
Its not that you lacked integrity when you said all those things about defending this country. Its not that you lack personal responsibility when you said that you didn't defend this country because "you weren't called".
Its that you, like most other "conservative" God fearing American's that I know, are hypocrites and not much else.
No reasoning is not your thing, and no amount of it will ever change your mind about anything.
Its not that you lacked integrity when you said all those things about defending this country. Its not that you lack personal responsibility when you said that you didn't defend this country because "you weren't called".
Its that you, like most other "conservative" God fearing American's that I know, are hypocrites and not much else.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6341EA20100409
So far, so good.
So far, so good.
Little p, like I said before, I feel your pain. It's got to be a first class bummer to have your standard bearer, (after 8 years of foaming at the mouth, pure Bush hatred) be the left of all lefties, Dr. Utopia.
And what must really bring the frights in the middle of the night, is the conservative backlash coming from that unholy triumvirate Obama/Reid/Pelosi, and their unAmerican, unconstitutional, 'jam it down your throat', socialist policies.
Or worse yet, the economic meltdown on Dr. U's watch.
Or the Iranian or North Korean nuke fallout.
Or the constant cries of 'give us our Obama money, Obama loves us', coming from the entitlement crowd of true blue Obamaites.
It's hard to be happy and light when you see the train bearing down on you, isn't it? Cause that's really all you have, huh? The great anti Bush, Dr. Utopia elixir of liberalism and failed socialist policies. Shame.
On a different note, to clean up from past posts......
Little p, you definitely need a lot of work on your comprehensive reading skills. The draft ended before I was of age. That was lucky for me. Because no sane man wants to go to war. It's a duty.
Would I have gone if that war went on, and I was drafted? Of course I would. That's what us dumb, God and country loving conservatives do, when we're called. But in my case, the timing was everything.
This is the 2nd time I've had to explain this to you. But then I forgot. You're an Obama faithful.
Don't worry. You recovered from LBJ, with Carter. And you recovered from Carter, with BJ Clinton. You'll recover from Dr. Utopia. Maybe you'll get a JFK true American next time. That wouldn't bother me, in the least.
And what must really bring the frights in the middle of the night, is the conservative backlash coming from that unholy triumvirate Obama/Reid/Pelosi, and their unAmerican, unconstitutional, 'jam it down your throat', socialist policies.
Or worse yet, the economic meltdown on Dr. U's watch.
Or the Iranian or North Korean nuke fallout.
Or the constant cries of 'give us our Obama money, Obama loves us', coming from the entitlement crowd of true blue Obamaites.
It's hard to be happy and light when you see the train bearing down on you, isn't it? Cause that's really all you have, huh? The great anti Bush, Dr. Utopia elixir of liberalism and failed socialist policies. Shame.
On a different note, to clean up from past posts......
Little p, you definitely need a lot of work on your comprehensive reading skills. The draft ended before I was of age. That was lucky for me. Because no sane man wants to go to war. It's a duty.
Would I have gone if that war went on, and I was drafted? Of course I would. That's what us dumb, God and country loving conservatives do, when we're called. But in my case, the timing was everything.
This is the 2nd time I've had to explain this to you. But then I forgot. You're an Obama faithful.
Don't worry. You recovered from LBJ, with Carter. And you recovered from Carter, with BJ Clinton. You'll recover from Dr. Utopia. Maybe you'll get a JFK true American next time. That wouldn't bother me, in the least.
) Jerry, I would prefer you stuck to some sense of reality about
) the past. If Obama triples Bush's debt - who spent more?
Bush. Clinton was paying down the national debt. Bush intentionally increased the national debt for no reasoned other than he didn't want to increase taxes when he increased government spending. Obama has to increase the national debt to pull us out of the recession. Even Bush understood that. It's called 'stimulus.' Do you still understand what that means?
) What is Obama planning? Open your eyes.
Recover from Bush's recession. Open your eyes to what the economists (Bush's and Obama's) have stated is needed, stimulus. It comes from stimulating or to stimulate the economy. And it's working.
Did you see another posters answer to our problem? "Cut taxes." Bush (the only president we ever had that cut taxes during a war) cut taxes and we went into this recession. How do you cut taxes for a guy without a job? What good is it to cut taxes of a business where nobody is shopping?
President Obama and Bush's economists are correct. You must increase spending (stimulus) in order to get the economy going again. And guess what? Contrary to what Sherman's blog title says:
- IT'S WORKING!
Jerry, how do you spell deeloozhanul?
Altos:
I think you "misunderestimated" me. See, I feel no pain for finally have an American President act on behalf of Americans. I do however, understand YOUR pain; its because we finally have an American President acting on behalf of Americans.
And Altos, if by "conservative" backlash, you mean the death threats coming from the group of ignorant men and women manipulated by the wealthiest in this country, because of the losses they have, and will continue to suffer; no, I'm not afraid. Saddened, by the fact that an ignorant group, out of touch with their fellow citizens, would respond in such a way is a more apt description. Saddened, that our limited resources, which would be better used to better this country, will instead be diverted to arresting and trying these terrorists, better describes how I feel.
That train you see coming down the tracks Altos, is the train that was coming down the tracks the last 6 years when the people of this country stood up and recognized that the republicans/conservatives in this country were intent on making this country into a fascist dictatorship. They stood up and said, "not on our watch" which is what men of courage have done in this country for the last 200 years.
The country shouted a resounding "no" to the unconstitutional actions taken by the savior of the "conservative" party. The country said "No thanks" to more torture. The country said "No thanks" to more senseless war. The country said "No more" spying on Americans, and violations of their 4th Amendment rights. They said "No more" sending thousands of boys to their deaths in wars for oil. The country, and most of us anyway said "No more, to the policies that resulted in
I think you "misunderestimated" me. See, I feel no pain for finally have an American President act on behalf of Americans. I do however, understand YOUR pain; its because we finally have an American President acting on behalf of Americans.
And Altos, if by "conservative" backlash, you mean the death threats coming from the group of ignorant men and women manipulated by the wealthiest in this country, because of the losses they have, and will continue to suffer; no, I'm not afraid. Saddened, by the fact that an ignorant group, out of touch with their fellow citizens, would respond in such a way is a more apt description. Saddened, that our limited resources, which would be better used to better this country, will instead be diverted to arresting and trying these terrorists, better describes how I feel.
That train you see coming down the tracks Altos, is the train that was coming down the tracks the last 6 years when the people of this country stood up and recognized that the republicans/conservatives in this country were intent on making this country into a fascist dictatorship. They stood up and said, "not on our watch" which is what men of courage have done in this country for the last 200 years.
The country shouted a resounding "no" to the unconstitutional actions taken by the savior of the "conservative" party. The country said "No thanks" to more torture. The country said "No thanks" to more senseless war. The country said "No more" spying on Americans, and violations of their 4th Amendment rights. They said "No more" sending thousands of boys to their deaths in wars for oil. The country, and most of us anyway said "No more, to the policies that resulted in
the financial devastation that the "conservatives" visited on this country. They said "No more" to sending trillions of dollars to Iraq to fight a war against insanity.
The country so thoroughly rejected the "ideas" and "ideals" of the republican/conservative party, that supermajorities were imposed in the branches of government and a Democratic President was elected; a black man with an ideal which had such broad appeal that he was elected by the broadest sweep in the electorate in years.
The "conservatives" were thrown out, and shown to be what they have always been, a party of hypocrites with only one thing on their "minds". It wasn't the American people.
And, Altos, I don't know what color the sky is in your world, but there is not an economic measurement that exists today which is not improved since President Obama and the Democratic Party regained their rightful places in this country.
While the "conservatives" gnash their collective tooth because they so wanted this country to fail; we didn't. The conservatives tried to make success for this country as difficult as they could (this was part of the plan after all) They spent this country into the greatest deficits in history HOPING that they would then come back to the people and say "sorry, there just ain't no more left for the rest of you guys", but we were to smart for that. Now, for years of course, the republicans had spent, and spent, and reduced revenues, and paid for wars and the military, and OTHER people, but now the American public is being shown a new path; we can actually spend OUR money, in THIS country.
We like it, and I appreciate your contribution, knowing what a fine "Christian" you are...giving and all that.
The country so thoroughly rejected the "ideas" and "ideals" of the republican/conservative party, that supermajorities were imposed in the branches of government and a Democratic President was elected; a black man with an ideal which had such broad appeal that he was elected by the broadest sweep in the electorate in years.
The "conservatives" were thrown out, and shown to be what they have always been, a party of hypocrites with only one thing on their "minds". It wasn't the American people.
And, Altos, I don't know what color the sky is in your world, but there is not an economic measurement that exists today which is not improved since President Obama and the Democratic Party regained their rightful places in this country.
While the "conservatives" gnash their collective tooth because they so wanted this country to fail; we didn't. The conservatives tried to make success for this country as difficult as they could (this was part of the plan after all) They spent this country into the greatest deficits in history HOPING that they would then come back to the people and say "sorry, there just ain't no more left for the rest of you guys", but we were to smart for that. Now, for years of course, the republicans had spent, and spent, and reduced revenues, and paid for wars and the military, and OTHER people, but now the American public is being shown a new path; we can actually spend OUR money, in THIS country.
We like it, and I appreciate your contribution, knowing what a fine "Christian" you are...giving and all that.
Let's see if they address the message or revert to attacking the messenger:
) Jerry, how do you spell deeloozhanul?
Sherman's thread was an accusation that Harry Reid and friends turned us into Greece. I just showed where Harry Reid and friends made the changes necessary and that the market up; GDP up; Jobs up; Retail sales up; banks saved and paying us back (with interest); auto industry saved and paying back (with interest); AIG saved and paying us back (with interest); Healthcare for thousands saved and will pay us back; troops being withdrawn from war; (additional items this administration has improved, on request).
) Jerry, how do you spell deeloozhanul?
Sherman's thread was an accusation that Harry Reid and friends turned us into Greece. I just showed where Harry Reid and friends made the changes necessary and that the market up; GDP up; Jobs up; Retail sales up; banks saved and paying us back (with interest); auto industry saved and paying back (with interest); AIG saved and paying us back (with interest); Healthcare for thousands saved and will pay us back; troops being withdrawn from war; (additional items this administration has improved, on request).
The communists on the left have destroyed this country. The shenanigans that Harry Reid pulled to get enough votes should be remembered by all Nevadans when the November election occurs and its time to give Harry a late retirement. The AARP was culpable for supporting Obamacare when it cuts nearly $500 billion for medicare. If they did this because they think that congress will restore this money then the deficit will rise another $1/2 trillion. Reid, Pelosi, and Obama along with most of the other communists in congress have encumbered this country with debt we cannot hope to pay for. In the program mentioned most often by Axelrod, Masscare, the problems with that have left the state with only 4 real insurers and they are all non-profits. As expected premium increases due to people enrolling for 3 to 5 months in advance of major medical operations and then lapsing out of the coverage has made these non-profits increase their costs so much that Patrick is calling for limits which only will cause the insurers to lose more money. Berkley and Titus are just as much to blame as Reid for Obamacare. The vote taken in congress was supposed to be on the same bill and it was not. The Slaughter enhancement created a situation where the vote could be taken on comepletely different bills and deemed to have been done the right way. If the legislation was so good for Americans why would the communists do this? Then Obama signs the bill in a complete disregard for the Constitutional process. The country ruined without a single republican vote. Boycott the AARP.
Elliot, nice post. Right on the money.
Jeez, patrick. Judging by the content of your post, you must not get out much or you're institutionalized.
Are you and Jerry Sturdivant in the same asylum? Because neither of you must see any real people to keep spouting "Low-Emission Unicorns and Rainbow Energy Have Saved the Economy and Created Trillions of Jobs"
Maybe you should just stick to "it's Bush's Fault!!!"
Jeez, patrick. Judging by the content of your post, you must not get out much or you're institutionalized.
Are you and Jerry Sturdivant in the same asylum? Because neither of you must see any real people to keep spouting "Low-Emission Unicorns and Rainbow Energy Have Saved the Economy and Created Trillions of Jobs"
Maybe you should just stick to "it's Bush's Fault!!!"
) The communists on the left have destroyed this country.
Really? Where?
) The AARP was culpable for supporting Obamacare
) when it cuts nearly $500 billion for medicare.
You didn't know? That cut was simply the extra 15% profit guaranteed the insurance companies for administrating Medicare. Now the government will administrate it with no loss of benefits. Now that you know that, (the R-J wouldn't tell you). Now that you know the truth, do you change your mind? Why not?
) Reid, Pelosi, and Obama along with most of the other
) communists in congress have encumbered this country
) with debt we cannot hope to pay for.
The R-J told you they were communists? The healthcare package actually does pay down the debt. The CBO shows that. Now that you know the truth, do you change your mind? Why not?
) In the program mentioned most often by Axelrod, Masscare, the
) problems with that have left the state with only 4 real insurers and
) they are all non-profits.
Wow! Even more savings.
) Berkley and Titus are just as much to blame as Reid for Obamacare.
Blame? Healthcare is actually improved and will start paying down the national debt.
) The vote taken in congress was supposed to be ….
All the votes were legal or they wouldn't count.
) If the legislation was so good for Americans
) why would the communists do this?
Fox, the R-J and Rush Limbaugh have given you some bad information and bad talking points. The majority of Americans are for this and they're not "commies!"
) The country ruined without a single republican vote. Boycott the AARP.
And the AMA? And the Nurses Association? And the majority of Americans?
Really? Where?
) The AARP was culpable for supporting Obamacare
) when it cuts nearly $500 billion for medicare.
You didn't know? That cut was simply the extra 15% profit guaranteed the insurance companies for administrating Medicare. Now the government will administrate it with no loss of benefits. Now that you know that, (the R-J wouldn't tell you). Now that you know the truth, do you change your mind? Why not?
) Reid, Pelosi, and Obama along with most of the other
) communists in congress have encumbered this country
) with debt we cannot hope to pay for.
The R-J told you they were communists? The healthcare package actually does pay down the debt. The CBO shows that. Now that you know the truth, do you change your mind? Why not?
) In the program mentioned most often by Axelrod, Masscare, the
) problems with that have left the state with only 4 real insurers and
) they are all non-profits.
Wow! Even more savings.
) Berkley and Titus are just as much to blame as Reid for Obamacare.
Blame? Healthcare is actually improved and will start paying down the national debt.
) The vote taken in congress was supposed to be ….
All the votes were legal or they wouldn't count.
) If the legislation was so good for Americans
) why would the communists do this?
Fox, the R-J and Rush Limbaugh have given you some bad information and bad talking points. The majority of Americans are for this and they're not "commies!"
) The country ruined without a single republican vote. Boycott the AARP.
And the AMA? And the Nurses Association? And the majority of Americans?
I'm 88 yrs. old and in complete control of all my body except my legs. I'm a disabled veteran of WW11 and Korea, confined to a Wheel Chair but active as I can be with this handicap. I'm a Conservative Republican Traditionalist and for the first time in my life I am ashamed of the two leaders we have in Congress. Senator Harry Reid and his lapdog actions associated with president Obama is disgusting. The same goes for Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Never before, since I was a Young Republican, during Franklin Roosevelt's rise to power in the 30's, have we had Congressmen in these two positions that my family and I could not respect. I have polled all my family, Republicans and a few Democrats and they are unanimous in loss of respect for these two because of their support for the Obamacare bill which has items in it that are unconstitutional and the Bill wasn't debated thoroughly before passing by both houses. Each family member agreed that Reid and Pelosi are convinced in their own minds that they, and the Democat party, really believe that they are the only ones that know what is best for us Americans therefore open debate is not necessary! All but one agreed with Mr. Freerick's "Reid is turning America into Greece!"
Altos:
Some people call the "asylum" where I am the United States of America.
The "institution" that I rarely get out of is called variously "The Good Old U.S. of A" or "My country", and while it is not perfect (for some reason you get people all the time talking about how they want to "break away" or "overthrow" or "rebel" against it, I like to call those people traitors or republicans) it is still the Greatest country in the world in my humble opinion.
Based on the stuff you write Altos, I only hope that someday you leave the asylum, and experience a country more consistent with your viewpoints; say Somalia for example.
Some people call the "asylum" where I am the United States of America.
The "institution" that I rarely get out of is called variously "The Good Old U.S. of A" or "My country", and while it is not perfect (for some reason you get people all the time talking about how they want to "break away" or "overthrow" or "rebel" against it, I like to call those people traitors or republicans) it is still the Greatest country in the world in my humble opinion.
Based on the stuff you write Altos, I only hope that someday you leave the asylum, and experience a country more consistent with your viewpoints; say Somalia for example.
little p, glad you love America and recognize Her as the greatest! Or did this just come to you after 1/20/2009; like Michele Utopia?
and patrick, wasn't Somalia known for something during BJ Clinton's presidency? Something about a Black Hawk down? Strong political leadership, eh little p? That's what we had when Bill Clinton was in office.
Dr. Utopia will make Billy C look like Churchill before he's done. Man, that possibility must really hurt a liberal cool aid drinker like you, huh, little p?
But then, when did you ever let a little thing like "facts and truth" stop you from posting?
and patrick, wasn't Somalia known for something during BJ Clinton's presidency? Something about a Black Hawk down? Strong political leadership, eh little p? That's what we had when Bill Clinton was in office.
Dr. Utopia will make Billy C look like Churchill before he's done. Man, that possibility must really hurt a liberal cool aid drinker like you, huh, little p?
But then, when did you ever let a little thing like "facts and truth" stop you from posting?
Mr. McMains:
You write that you're, "ashamed," "disgusted," and "do not respect" our local politicians for supporting the President. Yet they endangered their own political careers to do the will of the people (see the poll), just as you endangered yourself in your military service to the people.
) All but one [of your relatives] agreed with Mr. Freerick's
) "Reid is turning America into Greece!"
Apparently that 'one' knows we are not turning into Greece. Our market is up; GDP up; Jobs up; retail sales up; banks saved and paying us back (with interest); auto industry saved and paying back (with interest); AIG saved and paying us back (with interest); Healthcare for thousands saved and will pay us back and our troops being withdrawn from war.
) Each family member agreed that Reid and Pelosi are convinced in their
) own minds that they, and the Democat party, really believe that they are
) the only ones that know what is best for us Americans …
And the majority polled agree.
) therefore open debate is not necessary!
Yet was conducted on TV by President Obama. The Republicans refused to debate or help.
You write that you're, "ashamed," "disgusted," and "do not respect" our local politicians for supporting the President. Yet they endangered their own political careers to do the will of the people (see the poll), just as you endangered yourself in your military service to the people.
) All but one [of your relatives] agreed with Mr. Freerick's
) "Reid is turning America into Greece!"
Apparently that 'one' knows we are not turning into Greece. Our market is up; GDP up; Jobs up; retail sales up; banks saved and paying us back (with interest); auto industry saved and paying back (with interest); AIG saved and paying us back (with interest); Healthcare for thousands saved and will pay us back and our troops being withdrawn from war.
) Each family member agreed that Reid and Pelosi are convinced in their
) own minds that they, and the Democat party, really believe that they are
) the only ones that know what is best for us Americans …
And the majority polled agree.
) therefore open debate is not necessary!
Yet was conducted on TV by President Obama. The Republicans refused to debate or help.
Altos:
Any idea how many Americans were killed in action while the minion of the devil formerly in the White House was in office?
How about Clinton?
How about Obama?
Any idea how many American citizens were killed as a result of 911 during the reign of the demon known as "w" by his minions during his first year in office?
How many Americans have died due to similar circumstances since President Obama was elected?
So what you got here is a clear case of a Democratic President keeping this country safer, longer, than the minion of the devil formerly in the White House that you supported; I wonder if you have the same reasons for supporting him, as he did for refusing to act to stop the attacks?
Curious is all.
Any idea how many Americans were killed in action while the minion of the devil formerly in the White House was in office?
How about Clinton?
How about Obama?
Any idea how many American citizens were killed as a result of 911 during the reign of the demon known as "w" by his minions during his first year in office?
How many Americans have died due to similar circumstances since President Obama was elected?
So what you got here is a clear case of a Democratic President keeping this country safer, longer, than the minion of the devil formerly in the White House that you supported; I wonder if you have the same reasons for supporting him, as he did for refusing to act to stop the attacks?
Curious is all.
Seems like I touched a nerve, little p. You trying to convince me, or yourself?
"Methinks thou dost protest too much!"
"Methinks thou dost protest too much!"
Altos:
"Methinks" (sic), You give yourself way to much credit.
"Methinks" (sic), You give yourself way to much credit.
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