No reference to God in president's T-Day speech
In what I think almost all Americans would call "odd," President Barack Obama delivered his weekly address with a speech entitled: “On Thanksgiving, Grateful for the Men and Women Who Defend Our Country.”
In the text of his speech, he referred to Thanksgiving as a "celebration of community."
Holy cow! Is that one screwed up view or what?
Somebody ought to remind Obama (and his speechwriter) that when Americans sit down around a meal today and give thanks, they give thanks to God.
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I give thanks to James Madison for writing the First Amendment, which permits you to spread your hate even on this day.
Not ALL Americans (although I'm not one of them).
Would you give the hyper-partisan stuff a rest just for one day? Please?
I'd be grateful if you would.
Would you give the hyper-partisan stuff a rest just for one day? Please?
I'd be grateful if you would.
Give the guy a break! At least he didn't mention Mohamed....
A Blessed Thanksgiving to ALL!
A Blessed Thanksgiving to ALL!
John, I'd like to give Obama's weirdness a rest. But what do you do with a Thanksgiving address to the nation that twists the holiday with no reference to God (the point of our Thanksgiving) and then tries to recast the first Thanksgiving as a "celebration of community."
I dare say that O is the first prez to not publicly reference God on Thanksgiving. Would I be right on that, Mike?
I dare say that O is the first prez to not publicly reference God on Thanksgiving. Would I be right on that, Mike?
Oh, and BTW, Mike: You calling it "hate" is the standard escalation of rhetoric of the left. Was it "racist" too?
Sherm...I thought thanksgiving day was so we would eat enough extra calories so we could shop all day and not need to stop to eat.
Obama, like all good Control Freaks, knows that blessings emanate from the collective.
http://controlfreaku.com/wordpress/even-control-freaks-love-giving-thanks.html
http://controlfreaku.com/wordpress/even-control-freaks-love-giving-thanks.html
This is what we give thanks for today.
Michael Greene should know this well, being an american history professor and all.
http://4thst8.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/the-true-meaning-of-thanksgiving-a-lesson-for-would-be-socialists-in-washington/#comment-1653
Yes Gog had a part in it, but Capitalism won the day.
Michael Greene should know this well, being an american history professor and all.
http://4thst8.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/the-true-meaning-of-thanksgiving-a-lesson-for-would-be-socialists-in-washington/#comment-1653
Yes Gog had a part in it, but Capitalism won the day.
Shermy can bow his head to whatever artifact floats his boat while I will ignore the myths that all religions bring including the idea of some god thing. But Shermy has never been particularly bright.
Well, MSchaffer, Obama must be your kind of president. Thanks for helping illustrate the point, unknowingly tho it probably was.
Thank you, Mr. Schaffer, for taking this opportunity to insult all of us who believe in G-d on the day we set aside to thank Him for all the blessings we enjoy. Your calling us all stupid has certainly made it more likely we'll come around to your way of thinking.
Mr. Frederick: I let it go until tomorrow. Don't let it ruin your day. :-)
Happy Thanksgiving to you both! The Packers and Lions have kicked off, so I'm done here for the next few hours.
Mr. Frederick: I let it go until tomorrow. Don't let it ruin your day. :-)
Happy Thanksgiving to you both! The Packers and Lions have kicked off, so I'm done here for the next few hours.
Sherm, I could research that, but I would rather spend my time thinking about issues that actually matter instead of your hatred for Uppity-ness. Try this one on for size: http://nymag.com/news/politics/conservatives-david-frum-2011-11/.
John, I'd like to give Obama's weirdness a rest.
Holy cow, Sherman! (if I may) The 'weirdness' is all yours.
Holy cow, Sherman! (if I may) The 'weirdness' is all yours.
Barry gives thanks for himself;)
Ø knows what he is doing, and so do we. The choice couldn't be more clear.
At least this poser is up front with it. Jorge had his "compassionate conservatism" BS that was also damaging. But this community organizer mystery man is the real deal Alinskyite.
And he NEVER misses an opportunity to tell us who and what he is, and just exactly what the "fundamental transformation" of this country entails.
Well, we have the forces of darkness well set (that would be the big Ø)
Hopefully, well get a champion from the forces of freedom to step up (NOT another crook like jumping John McShamnesty!)
THEN, we'll have a choice.
At least this poser is up front with it. Jorge had his "compassionate conservatism" BS that was also damaging. But this community organizer mystery man is the real deal Alinskyite.
And he NEVER misses an opportunity to tell us who and what he is, and just exactly what the "fundamental transformation" of this country entails.
Well, we have the forces of darkness well set (that would be the big Ø)
Hopefully, well get a champion from the forces of freedom to step up (NOT another crook like jumping John McShamnesty!)
THEN, we'll have a choice.
I am all for this country getting a real choice between a conservative candidate like Herman Cain, or Rick Perry, or Michelle Bachman, or Ron Paul, or heck Sarah Palin, and the president.
We shall see which way the COUNTRY wants to go if that were to happen. I think its obvious though, that in the event the president were re-elected, over one of those conservatives, the people that make up that group, would find some explanation, unrelated to the conservative "philosophy" as to why it happened.
I think that the self-professed conservative types simply don't understand that the country, as a whole, LOVES the current SOCIALIZED system, that THEY themselves both helped created, and continue to SUPPORT. For some odd reason, although they have been thrown out of office for opposing SOCIALIZED programs, they ignore the public and nonsensically attack the programs that the country wants. Oh well, so much the better I suppose for if a conservative candidate like Ron Paul ever were to commit some electoral fraud and be elected, the country would be doomed.
We shall see which way the COUNTRY wants to go if that were to happen. I think its obvious though, that in the event the president were re-elected, over one of those conservatives, the people that make up that group, would find some explanation, unrelated to the conservative "philosophy" as to why it happened.
I think that the self-professed conservative types simply don't understand that the country, as a whole, LOVES the current SOCIALIZED system, that THEY themselves both helped created, and continue to SUPPORT. For some odd reason, although they have been thrown out of office for opposing SOCIALIZED programs, they ignore the public and nonsensically attack the programs that the country wants. Oh well, so much the better I suppose for if a conservative candidate like Ron Paul ever were to commit some electoral fraud and be elected, the country would be doomed.
Rory10, why do you want to keep the slaves on the welfare plantation?
I agree. Sadly, God has been rendered as obsolete in modern America. Our national religion is now Evolution, whether want it or not. Obama's statement alludes to commune, or communism,... "celebration of community."
Talking heads love to throw this word around "community".
Talking heads love to throw this word around "community".
OWS = COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS
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Barry seems to have gotten as far from his "community" as possible;)
Gee, I had no idea that Thanksgiving was a religious holiday!
Actually, now that I've read Obama's Thanksgiving proclamation I realize that, once again, Sherman Frederick is speaking right out out his keister. The President's Proclamation repeatedly references and thanks God. Contrary to what Sherman Frederick would have you believe, jere is what the President's proclamation actually said: "As we gather in our communities and in our homes, around the table or near the hearth, we give thanks to each other and to God for the many kindnesses and comforts that grace our lives.
As we come together with friends, family and neighbors to celebrate, let us set aside our daily concerns and give thanks for the providence bestowed upon us. When President George Washington proclaimed our country's first Thanksgiving, he praised a generous and knowing God for shepherding our young republic through its uncertain beginnings. Decades later, President Abraham Lincoln looked to the divine to protect those who had known the worst of civil war, and to restore the nation "to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and union."
This is classic Sherman Frederick.
As we come together with friends, family and neighbors to celebrate, let us set aside our daily concerns and give thanks for the providence bestowed upon us. When President George Washington proclaimed our country's first Thanksgiving, he praised a generous and knowing God for shepherding our young republic through its uncertain beginnings. Decades later, President Abraham Lincoln looked to the divine to protect those who had known the worst of civil war, and to restore the nation "to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and union."
This is classic Sherman Frederick.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/23/weekly-address-thanksgiving-grateful-men-and-women-who-defend-our-countr
Petenyc, the weekly address direct from the WH website. This is what Sherman refered in his OPINION. Why refrain referencing G-D in that but not:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/16/presidential-proclamation-thanksgiving-day-2011
The proclamation you read and refer? (or prefer, maybe?)
Now the question remains open why not any reference in thanks for a spiritual leader, within the weekly address, in discussing the saving of the colony through a decision to allow land ownership and self empowerment to rule, replacing the commune? Gov Bradfords recorded words are clear on this matter, it was capitalism that saved the pilgrims not communism (ity replaced with ism) A difference which makes no difference is no difference. The first 2 seasons in the new world the pilgrims suffered as a direct result of communist socialism and were rescued not by the natives but by capitalism. Plato was a dreamer but ignored human nature.
Petenyc, the weekly address direct from the WH website. This is what Sherman refered in his OPINION. Why refrain referencing G-D in that but not:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/16/presidential-proclamation-thanksgiving-day-2011
The proclamation you read and refer? (or prefer, maybe?)
Now the question remains open why not any reference in thanks for a spiritual leader, within the weekly address, in discussing the saving of the colony through a decision to allow land ownership and self empowerment to rule, replacing the commune? Gov Bradfords recorded words are clear on this matter, it was capitalism that saved the pilgrims not communism (ity replaced with ism) A difference which makes no difference is no difference. The first 2 seasons in the new world the pilgrims suffered as a direct result of communist socialism and were rescued not by the natives but by capitalism. Plato was a dreamer but ignored human nature.
Barry = Misery
Barry = Anti Semite
Somebody ought to remind Sherman (and his puppets in the GOP) that Americans are not required to adhere to his point of view on "god" and religion.
I had a meal today, and I didn't give thanks to invisible imaginary man in the sky. So, please stop pretending like you talk for All Americans you gasbag.
I had a meal today, and I didn't give thanks to invisible imaginary man in the sky. So, please stop pretending like you talk for All Americans you gasbag.
Okay, yes, go ahead and gasp - I'm a devout Christian. And yes, I was deeply disappointed by President Obama's obvious lack of any direct acknowledgement of God in what is, by definition, a religious holiday. I mean, after all, to whom or what is it that we are "giving thanks," anyway? I produced a brief video that assigned a letter grade to each element of the President's Thanksgiving Day address. If you'd like an insight into how he left at least one American Christian feeling with his remarks, you can view it at www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xof1zmcSJaY I know my views don't reflect those of the typical internet user, but I do hope you'll consider what I'm trying to communicate. God bless you.
SweetJimmyB, what was that all about?
little petey, BUSTED AGAIN. Have you no pride, man?
Fido, ignorance of the truth is no excuse.
little petey, BUSTED AGAIN. Have you no pride, man?
Fido, ignorance of the truth is no excuse.
yes, it is simply shocking that after issuing the traditional Thanksgiving Day proclamation filled with references to God, the President went beyond what most of his predecessors had done, and recorded a radio address that saluted our troops but which did not expressly mention God.
What an outrage!
What an outrage!
George Bush's 2008 Thanksgiving radio address -- not a single reference to God. Mot one. Instead, just a lot of screwed-up hippie drivel about "comforting the poor" and "armies of compassion."
The dirty atheist. Good thing no one told Sherman Frederick!
The dirty atheist. Good thing no one told Sherman Frederick!
Oh my God - Reagan's 1986 Thanksgiving radio address doesn't thank God either! Or George Bush's 1989 address!! Could it be that Dutch & Poppy were both secret atheists??
I think we ought to know!
I think we ought to know!
You people are weird. You're slaves to the PC. Sherman jerks your chain about something in a politician's thanksgiving statement? Really? What did one of you say? "I was deeply disappointed…" Not just 'regular' disappointed; deeply disappointed. Really?
The 1% jerk you 99% around at will. They keep you busy whining about absolutely nothing while continuing to rob and cheat you. Does Sherman mention the justification of the Occupy Wall Street people? Does he mention their speeches. Does he address their factual statements about the 1%? No. He's a part of it. He's a protector of it. He's diverting you to some non-supernatural reference in a holiday greeting. "Don’t look behind the curtain!" (If you don't know what that means, you better look it up; your wellbeing depends on it).
The 1% jerk you 99% around at will. They keep you busy whining about absolutely nothing while continuing to rob and cheat you. Does Sherman mention the justification of the Occupy Wall Street people? Does he mention their speeches. Does he address their factual statements about the 1%? No. He's a part of it. He's a protector of it. He's diverting you to some non-supernatural reference in a holiday greeting. "Don’t look behind the curtain!" (If you don't know what that means, you better look it up; your wellbeing depends on it).
Sherm, my apologies. I missed the second comment you made about me. To address your question of whether you are racist, I would ask you to put me in touch of all of the black editors you promoted during your tenure at the R-J. They would know better than I would.
Ahhh...isn't that cute that Shermy thinks my viewpoint on religion (It lacks any statistical validity) somehow means that President Obama and I are in secret communication with our decoder rings to prevent people like Shermy from knowing he is a closet something or other (Muslim? Atheist? or even worse Catholic!).
Obamatrons are so much fun. Like jack-in-the-boxes, they are always one twirl away from popping up and looking silly.
No Sherm, it wasn't racist, it was just plain stupid. I assume that you are now revving up for your rediculous Right Wing "war on Christmas" BS now also!
Sherm you and your Radical Right's vision of a Christian nation is so radically different than the teachings of Jesus, you should be ashamed to mention God in any political arguement.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how it is that a President who lards his Thanksgiving Proclamation with references to God can be accused of paying insufficient attention to God on Thanksgiving.
It really is an alternate universe out there, isn't it?
It really is an alternate universe out there, isn't it?
Petenyc..Sherm and the rest of the Radical Right do live in an alternative universe, where science, facts and logic are trumped by their opinions. Some of thier bizarre opinions come from their belief in an imaginary mythological god of a people that couldn't find their way out of a small desert area in 40 years, and had less knowledge of the world than an eight year old of today.
Don't know what planet Sherman Frederick is from, but Thansgiving is a secular holiday, not a religious one. Just another "you-must-hold-my-religious-views-or-be-damned" individual. What a waste of time. He should have used the time writing his drivel to help a person less fortunate than himself, not chastising someone. Unthankful hypocrite indeed.
Well, Sherm, how do you explain away all these responses to your drivel as being very much opposed to your viewpoint? Next time, please do not speak for what you call "most Americans" as you are very clearly wrong both factually and ideologically. This was the first and last time I will ever read your opinion as you clearly have "one screwed up view or what?".
Hey, Sherm, there is also no mention of God in the US Constitution. Are you going to whine like a pig about that? What a typical Sherm editorial cesspool!
Article VI: "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Conclusion: "done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord." Then there is that First Amendment thing.
To Debby, and the other non believers, it's a shame you're so self centered that you can't recognize the benefits you enjoy from living in a country that does believe in a Higher Authority.
As to majority? Last data I saw gave Christianity a 77% cover of Americans. And even if we love you (and we do), we are not going to let you promulgate your lies, unchallenged.
As to majority? Last data I saw gave Christianity a 77% cover of Americans. And even if we love you (and we do), we are not going to let you promulgate your lies, unchallenged.
People like Mr. Frederick are perfectly entitled to think of Thanksgiving as a holiday infused with religious significance. What they are not entitled to do is to dishonestly suggest that the President has ignored God in his observances of the holiday, when such an accusation is demonstrably, factually untrue.
It is pretty much on a par with Mr. Frederick's previous episode of journalistic dishonesty - accusing the President of calling the American people "lazy," when he was actually referring to federal policymakers.
All of a piece, I would say.
It is pretty much on a par with Mr. Frederick's previous episode of journalistic dishonesty - accusing the President of calling the American people "lazy," when he was actually referring to federal policymakers.
All of a piece, I would say.
Actually, Sherm is right here. The silly thing is the way that people allow him to push their buttons. Let's be clear - no matter what Obama says, whether he mentions God or whether he doesn't, conservatives like Sherm will be violently offended by it. And find a way to attack it. So if you "circle the wagons" every time Sherm attacks Obama, then guesss what? You will spend ALL your time circling the wagons! Which is probably exactly what Sherm wants you to do!
As a Christian-Libertarian it does not offend my religious feelings that God was ommited. However, his statement was not traditionaly accurate. No matter what a person's religion, the majority of Americans have given thanks to what they believe is their "God" at this time, not man's efforts or that of community.
Personally, I gave God thanks for President Zerø. Without him, we wouldn't be aware that the mask had slipped off the Democrat party, and all the socialists, leftists, communist have finally ascended to power (in the D party).
And the people have been awaken. Prior to this poser, politics was " there they go again". Now we are galvanized to reclaim the greatness this country can be, infused with the principles of our Founding Fathers.
So, thank you, Ø. You've already overstepped with ØbamaCare, and proven Keynesian economics as a total failure (finally), and unleashed the hounds of naked graft, corruption and greed.
Now, we need to select an anti-McShamnesty-RINO-"let's just reach across the aisle"-poser; a true conservative, to replace and rebuild the our country.
And the people have been awaken. Prior to this poser, politics was " there they go again". Now we are galvanized to reclaim the greatness this country can be, infused with the principles of our Founding Fathers.
So, thank you, Ø. You've already overstepped with ØbamaCare, and proven Keynesian economics as a total failure (finally), and unleashed the hounds of naked graft, corruption and greed.
Now, we need to select an anti-McShamnesty-RINO-"let's just reach across the aisle"-poser; a true conservative, to replace and rebuild the our country.
Ah, yes Athos, benefits from the same higher authority worshipped by the government of Iran. Our benefits come from our constitution and specifically NOT from your imaginary friend.
You're already guilty before being guilty or would you search your conscience...? Serving the people sincerely faithfully is serving GOD. If majority of the Republicans fear GOD they must have been serving the people, mostly the poor instead of the mighty corporations..those of you should come from darkness to light, please.
Our country was founded on belief in God. we should thank Him everyday for what He has done for us. Would you give your only son so that the rest of mankind could have everlasting life? If you want to scoff at this comment please read Romans 14:11 & Philippians 2:10. Don't stand before God on judgement day & say you weren't told.
Obama's Godlessness is so pervasive that acknowledging God on the day of thanks to God, is just one bridge too far.
IMHO, O thinks he is God. So, on the premise modesty prevents him from directing thanks to himslef, he goes to his next idol: community. Wasn't he a community organizer? So if we do, as he says, thank community, then we are in effect indebted to him for organizing that community.
What blaspheme. This man is a scourge and he must go.
IMHO, O thinks he is God. So, on the premise modesty prevents him from directing thanks to himslef, he goes to his next idol: community. Wasn't he a community organizer? So if we do, as he says, thank community, then we are in effect indebted to him for organizing that community.
What blaspheme. This man is a scourge and he must go.
Isn't it amazing how the same "Christians" who believe Mr. Obama may be the AntiChrist in service to his "God", chide him for not mentioning his name. Somehow Christians transform the word God to Christ everytime it's spoken. If they really believed The President was Muslim, surely they would have been much more offended if he had thanked his God!
Are you bucking for a theocracy, Sherm? All of us worshipping the god that you get to choose?
Let me clue you in on something: lots of AMERICANS do not worship you middle eastern extortionist sky god.
That's ok.
In fact, that's what being an AMERICAN is all about- the right to worship whoever and whatever we please. You'd have to be an awfully poor student of our history not to know that, but here you are.
Next time you are arrogant enough to make a blanket statement about what Americans do or are, try to read little history first. You could start with the Constitution.
Let me clue you in on something: lots of AMERICANS do not worship you middle eastern extortionist sky god.
That's ok.
In fact, that's what being an AMERICAN is all about- the right to worship whoever and whatever we please. You'd have to be an awfully poor student of our history not to know that, but here you are.
Next time you are arrogant enough to make a blanket statement about what Americans do or are, try to read little history first. You could start with the Constitution.
Our country was founded on belief in God.
No, actually, it wasn't.
Would you give your only son so that the rest of mankind could have everlasting life?
Does giving your son to die in a war "for everlasting peace" count? And please don't refer to a book that refers to itself. It's as silly as trusting your sons to a pedophile preacher.
No, actually, it wasn't.
Would you give your only son so that the rest of mankind could have everlasting life?
Does giving your son to die in a war "for everlasting peace" count? And please don't refer to a book that refers to itself. It's as silly as trusting your sons to a pedophile preacher.
Well, "Americans... give thanks to God." That's a news flash. Apparently Mr. Frederick should go back to his Hollywood lingerie shop and stop pretending to speak for the American people, particularly the 20% who, like me, don't recognize a "god." Funny, I thought the day was for being thankful, not worshipping an attention-starved, imaginary spook in the sky.
This President was always against the Judeo Christian believes of the United States, and more incline to his father's believes, his true colors and coming through slowly, but nonetheless coming true, his nama Barack is not invain.
When will you finally rid this paper of Sherman Frederick? If Obama had only mentioned God and not our troops, THAT would have been the entire focus of his "commentary." I am SO SICK of Frederick's simple-minded drivel over everything regarding Obama, Harry Reid, etc. He is the primary reason I no longer subscribe to your paper after over twenty years of regularly having it delivered to my door.
Thanks for reminding me of how viciously partisan and simplistic the "new conservatives" have become and why thinking people no longer wear that label.
Thanks for reminding me of how viciously partisan and simplistic the "new conservatives" have become and why thinking people no longer wear that label.
MSchaffer, the reason Sherm thinks that way--I cannot tell whether his predictably childish response is to you or to me--is that he is incapable of independent, rational thought of his own, so he cannot imagine that others are capable of it. It's a shame. The result is, he won't read and learn from such useful information as this: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/25/where-the-money-is/
It seemed to me that perhaps Obamma wanted to "tweak" his detractors. He ignored the traditional "thanks to God", instead, glorified the "celebration of community". He is a man who seems to detest "negative feed-back". Like a rebelious teenager giving his most detested teacher, the finger. . .so Obama seemed to encourage his detractors to react as he knew they would.
Our soldiers and all enlisted in the military certainly do deserve our thanks. It's too bad they had to be included in this graceless missive.
Our soldiers and all enlisted in the military certainly do deserve our thanks. It's too bad they had to be included in this graceless missive.
WHY DO WE ASSUME BARRY EVEN READ THIS SPEECH BEFORE TELEPROMPTERING IT, I'M 99% SURE HE DIDN'T WRITE IT;)
BUSTED BARRY, BUSTED:)
ØH, I WONDER WHO WROTE THE "DREAM" BOOKS??
BUSTED BARRY, BUSTED:)
ØH, I WONDER WHO WROTE THE "DREAM" BOOKS??
Not everybody gives thanks to their imaginary friends on Thanksgiving, it tends to get most people in trouble ;). I'd rather give thanks to real people versus some people you made up in your head.
BTW...WHO EXACTLY IS THE 1% - I'D LIKE TO KNOW???
I think everyone should give Sherm a break--after all, this is the man who believes that Corporations are people. then again, can corporations feel pain, think, breed, die, eat, poop? If not, then how can they be people Sherm? I think the Republicans /Tea Partiers have "drunk the Coolaid" ! They don't REALLY believe in God, or they would praise the "99 percenters" instead of making them out to be lazy bums. They would make sure the sick, the old, the poor, those in need are not suffering. They would also realize that Jesus taught that his followers should also pay their taxes. I guess us poor people will just have to accept that Sherm believes that the rich should have the "the best politions they can buy" and made the regulations favor them. Poor Sherm--he just can't think for himself so has to follow blindly all the crap the Tea Partiers put out.
What is "odd' regarding our President's speech on Thanksgiving???..this is NOT a religous holiday...as you assume.. I am a vet ..and when my extended family sat at the table... it was not about religion... or the military/my service.. rather it was the simple message that we were thankful for what we have as a family.. in very difficult times.. and that we were together celebrating our thanks for being together... no religious context or rightiousness.. we simply were thankful for those who were present and recognized those who passed..please do not make this holiday a religious need... we have enough of this bullcrap smokescreen as it is!
Thanksgiving is a harvest festival.
Though I am curious, if it is indeed an explicitly Christian holiday, shouldn't it then not be recognized by the federal government as it is thereby giving preferential treatment to one religion by allowing adherents free time off on a holy day?
However, I find this to be a moot point as the Buddhists, Hindu and Atheist friends I have all celebrate it as an American holiday. Pretty much everyone seems to agree that it celebrates a joint meeting of Pilgrims and Native Americans, but I don't see anyone claiming that when the Pilgrims landed, the Native Americans were Christian. So are you claiming that this is a Christian holiday that celebrates non-Christians helping Christians at a time they would have starved otherwise? Are Native Americans the new manna in this revised history?
Also, having listened to his speech only because of this "uproar", I have to point out that President Obama ended the speech by saying, "God bless you, and from my family to yours, Happy Thanksgiving."
Isn't "God bless you" a reference to God?
Though I am curious, if it is indeed an explicitly Christian holiday, shouldn't it then not be recognized by the federal government as it is thereby giving preferential treatment to one religion by allowing adherents free time off on a holy day?
However, I find this to be a moot point as the Buddhists, Hindu and Atheist friends I have all celebrate it as an American holiday. Pretty much everyone seems to agree that it celebrates a joint meeting of Pilgrims and Native Americans, but I don't see anyone claiming that when the Pilgrims landed, the Native Americans were Christian. So are you claiming that this is a Christian holiday that celebrates non-Christians helping Christians at a time they would have starved otherwise? Are Native Americans the new manna in this revised history?
Also, having listened to his speech only because of this "uproar", I have to point out that President Obama ended the speech by saying, "God bless you, and from my family to yours, Happy Thanksgiving."
Isn't "God bless you" a reference to God?
"Somebody ought to remind Obama (and his speechwriter) that when Americans sit down around a meal today and give thanks, they give thanks to God."
Thank you for excluding all atheists, Buddhists, pagans, and non-religious spiritual types from the group of "Americans". We really appreciate your bigotry and lack of respect for people with different religious beliefs than you.
Thank you for excluding all atheists, Buddhists, pagans, and non-religious spiritual types from the group of "Americans". We really appreciate your bigotry and lack of respect for people with different religious beliefs than you.
Do you honestly have nothing else to report on other than this? I am no supporter of Obama or any politician for that matter. You are in need of a real life, Sherman. One spent realizing that it is the system in place that is at fault. While you and the left sling mug back and forth at the each other, those in control merely glance over at what silly little children you are and how fortunate it is that you've distracted yourselves from the real issues.
Just a reminder to you, SF, and any writers that this and many Americans sit down to give thanks to family and friends and community. No god is involved. This thankfulness is just as valid as a celebration of our country and each other.
Widen your view please.
Widen your view please.
America doesn't believe in God, some Americans do. I consider myself enlightened to realize that God is unnecessary and imaginary. Thanksgiving is not for God, it is for friendship and family.
Say your own Damned prayers if you must and stop asking your (and my) politicians to do it for you.
Say your own Damned prayers if you must and stop asking your (and my) politicians to do it for you.
Sherman needs to evolve, still believing in any GOD displays a lacking of reason and common sense. I would hope your readers yearn for stories written by persons alot less naive. The whole God thing is so outdated, would we want to go back to covered wagons or model T's for our daily transportation? His ignorance just plays to the weakminded. Come on guys, use your reader space with articles that help America and possibly the world...
No reference to god really, so what? Doesn't America have enough problems today without you conservatives making more? You and people like you is why America is in the mess it is in today. Prove me wrong.
Concerned citizen,
Jeff
Concerned citizen,
Jeff
yeah well see, I am waiting to see if you have the guts to post something that is against your what is it "closed world".
Atheist here. I don't thank a being I don't believe in. It was on this day that I am reminded of the Native Americans who did not believe in your god, and their slaughter at the hands of those who did believe in your god.
The original Thanksgiving had nothing to do with thanking a god. And the Bible says nothing about Thanksgiving. Even if it did we're a country of both believers and non-believers so Obama shouldn't have to say anything about god one way or another. Even though his use of “faith,” “brother’s keeper,” “sister’s keeper,” and “blessings” seemed not enough for you.
His non-mention of the actual word 'god" doesn't stop you from letting your food get cold while you pray to an invisible being so calm down.
You're an angry bitter Christian that needs to grow up. But not that I'm surprised; you're an aging white American male. Par for the course.
The original Thanksgiving had nothing to do with thanking a god. And the Bible says nothing about Thanksgiving. Even if it did we're a country of both believers and non-believers so Obama shouldn't have to say anything about god one way or another. Even though his use of “faith,” “brother’s keeper,” “sister’s keeper,” and “blessings” seemed not enough for you.
His non-mention of the actual word 'god" doesn't stop you from letting your food get cold while you pray to an invisible being so calm down.
You're an angry bitter Christian that needs to grow up. But not that I'm surprised; you're an aging white American male. Par for the course.
Mr Thomas Mitchell, you are a joke! You answered my post that the Constitution is dated "in the year of our Lord." What a pathetic response on your part. "God" is still not in the Constitution; it's not in the meat-and-potatoes of the Constitution. You know darn well what I meant, and that's all you've got. But, it's typical of facts-deniers like yourself and Master Friederich. Besides, the whole point of your editorial was simply baseless. You are unrepentant liar.
Re: the right-wing upset, Gawker noted: "None of the usual references to [Obama's] ties to Islam from what we've seen, however; maybe it occurred to people that he can't be a Muslim and an atheist at the same time. (He'll probably be a Muslim again by Christmas.)"
Actually, no I do not give thanks to god. I also do not give thanks to Zues, Poseidon, Neptune, or L. Ron Hubbard. Why would I give thanks to a mythological figure? I tend to think less of leaders when they need to drop the god this and god that in every statement they make. Now I personally don't give a damn who you or anyone else gives thanks to, but the president should not be obligated to give thanks to someone or something just to appease your beliefs.
As for Thanksgiving, as you gorge yourself into a Tryptophan Coma, keep in mind what the occasion is about. It isn’t about jamming as many family members that you don’t get along with into the same room, nor is it about watching some BS sporting events. It is honoring a bunch of illegals showing up on foreign shores, who then proceeded to steal the land from the people who called it home. That being said, I guess all of the residents of the United States (who aren’t Native Americans) should be happy that there weren't stronger immigration laws back then. Otherwise all of our ancestors would have been sent back home once they set foot at Plymouth Rock.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING
As for Thanksgiving, as you gorge yourself into a Tryptophan Coma, keep in mind what the occasion is about. It isn’t about jamming as many family members that you don’t get along with into the same room, nor is it about watching some BS sporting events. It is honoring a bunch of illegals showing up on foreign shores, who then proceeded to steal the land from the people who called it home. That being said, I guess all of the residents of the United States (who aren’t Native Americans) should be happy that there weren't stronger immigration laws back then. Otherwise all of our ancestors would have been sent back home once they set foot at Plymouth Rock.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING
Barry IS NOTHING = NO CORE BELIEFS
EXCEPT SOCIALISM MY FRIENDS;)
EXCEPT SOCIALISM MY FRIENDS;)
Try considering how "screwed up" your vision of America is. Since when is America only about thanking God, that ONE God that close minded people like you associate with just Christianity? Ever heard of America the MELTING POT? America the country that accepts all despite religious preference? Additionally, keep in mind the concept of separation of church and state, which has only been a part of the philosophy of America since it existed. President Obama has no reason to include religion, and I frankly do not want my president, a man who has the duty to represent what America truly is, including religion in any of his addresses.
BARRY = DESTRUCTION
Barry, you're an angry black man, admit it;)
Never responded or even read these comments before. Truly interesting to notice so many who don't believe in "invisible" friends. Wish it were possible for you to report back to us exactly who you call out to in your last breath of pain. Makes me sad to think of your shock at that time. Anyway, don't bother to comment. I will not be looking at this again. What a royal waste of time reading all of your self righteous, self important opinions. Mr. Sherman is just giving his opinion, no need to fret. If your disbelief in God (not my God or the Native Americans God...just God) is so shakey that you can't accept other's opinions, I hope that you open your mind to possibility. Lots of real things are invisible.
We get it. Obama is black. Now, please Sherm go get back to your lynchings or cross burnings or whatever it is you racist inbred hillbillies do in the name of "God".
We are surprised that we have a U. S Citizen that doesn't understand the meaning of Thanksgiving. We thank God on this Thanksgiving Day for all the blessings he has given us throughout this past year.
What a weasel!!
Mr. Fredrick that is.
President Obama released TWO Thanksgiving Day addresses, one of which is riddled with references to God. But that doesn't fit Sherman's narrative, so he never mentions that. Instead, him and his apparently very tiny brain zeroed in on one that was made to highlight those who serve the rest of us (mostly the military, but he also mentioned those who help in soup kitchens and shelters). To any intelligent person (which, I guess, left Sherman out) who reads it, it is obvious that it is meant to let them know we are thankful for their sacrifices and to remind the rest of us to be thankful for their service. Many of those who serve are not religious or practice faiths that do not refer to the Supreme Being as God. To refer to one as such is an insult. (don't take my word for it - here is the official transcript: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/23/weekly-address-thanksgiving-grateful-men-and-women-who-defend-our-countr)
Also, in his quest to satisfy his Obama hatred, dear ol' Sherman missed (or knowing weasels like him, intentionally ignored) the fact that Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich nor Rick Santorum had a reference to God in their Thanksgiving Day press releases. I would hold my breath waiting for Sherman's condemnation, but I'm too busy to pass out this early on a Friday...
Mr. Fredrick that is.
President Obama released TWO Thanksgiving Day addresses, one of which is riddled with references to God. But that doesn't fit Sherman's narrative, so he never mentions that. Instead, him and his apparently very tiny brain zeroed in on one that was made to highlight those who serve the rest of us (mostly the military, but he also mentioned those who help in soup kitchens and shelters). To any intelligent person (which, I guess, left Sherman out) who reads it, it is obvious that it is meant to let them know we are thankful for their sacrifices and to remind the rest of us to be thankful for their service. Many of those who serve are not religious or practice faiths that do not refer to the Supreme Being as God. To refer to one as such is an insult. (don't take my word for it - here is the official transcript: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/23/weekly-address-thanksgiving-grateful-men-and-women-who-defend-our-countr)
Also, in his quest to satisfy his Obama hatred, dear ol' Sherman missed (or knowing weasels like him, intentionally ignored) the fact that Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich nor Rick Santorum had a reference to God in their Thanksgiving Day press releases. I would hold my breath waiting for Sherman's condemnation, but I'm too busy to pass out this early on a Friday...
Mr. Frederick, somebody ought to remind YOU that Obama is a President, NOT a pastor. American has freedoms far different from, say, Iran - including to choose your religion, and even to choose no religion. America is not, and never has been, a Christian nation. We merely evolved with a majority of Christians. However, we invite all of different faiths; it is hugely detrimental to treat all those of other beliefs as second-class citizens. Just because thanking God makes you feel better doesn't make it right for everyone else. Inasmuch as I grew up Catholic, I respect our great country's founding credo to respect and not discrimnate according to spiritual differences (which we historically have anyway, and which you continue to do.) Your article is an insult to every red-blooded patriotic American that just happens to have different beliefs than you. I'll thank you to consider not further dividing the peoples of this country that are already divided in a myriad of other ways.
Since when is the President required to mention God at all? I seem to have slept through the section civic class that covered our nation's conversion into a theocracy.
I'm going to break my rule and not read a single post here, which I always find more interesting and respond directly to Sherman's post.
When Sherman writes this kind of crapola ladies and gentlemen, do any of you every ask yourselves why? Why would somebody of Sherman Frederick's importance write this kind of idiotic nonsense?
How many people in this country are directly affected by the fact President Obama did not say the word "God" during his Thanksgiving speech?
The answer of course is a big fat ZERO. Nada. Nobody, no one and no how. Those are the people affected by Sherman's shameful premise here.
But here is why Sherman and his fellow conservatives, like Ann Coulter, write this kind of unAmerican crapola; because they can and because it works.
What are Republicans like Sherman and Coulter going to talk about, economic policies which have ushered-in the greatest income disparity in the history of the country? Nah, they don't want to talk about that, they want to talk about the 'Godless Democrats.'
When Sherman writes this kind of crapola ladies and gentlemen, do any of you every ask yourselves why? Why would somebody of Sherman Frederick's importance write this kind of idiotic nonsense?
How many people in this country are directly affected by the fact President Obama did not say the word "God" during his Thanksgiving speech?
The answer of course is a big fat ZERO. Nada. Nobody, no one and no how. Those are the people affected by Sherman's shameful premise here.
But here is why Sherman and his fellow conservatives, like Ann Coulter, write this kind of unAmerican crapola; because they can and because it works.
What are Republicans like Sherman and Coulter going to talk about, economic policies which have ushered-in the greatest income disparity in the history of the country? Nah, they don't want to talk about that, they want to talk about the 'Godless Democrats.'
OK, I just read several posts here and once again, Jerry.Sturdivant seems to be the only one getting it.
Funny, I agree with many of the posts here but Jerry is the only one who was written about the real issue, besides me, whenever it decides to post, LOL, but the real issue is fellow Americans is that the fact that President Obama allegedly did not mention "God" in his speech will not make a single person here richer or poorer.
And yet, 84 posts on this thread and many from people I haven't seen her before. Amazing what mentioning the word "God" can do to a political issue. Why do you think Sherman Frederick and Ann Coulter do it?
Funny, I agree with many of the posts here but Jerry is the only one who was written about the real issue, besides me, whenever it decides to post, LOL, but the real issue is fellow Americans is that the fact that President Obama allegedly did not mention "God" in his speech will not make a single person here richer or poorer.
And yet, 84 posts on this thread and many from people I haven't seen her before. Amazing what mentioning the word "God" can do to a political issue. Why do you think Sherman Frederick and Ann Coulter do it?
It appears that someone needs to remind Mr. Frederick that he lives in a nation where NOT all of his fellow Americans thank God on Thanksgiving.
Furthermore, what right do you have, Mr. Frederick, to presume your fellow countrymen want or need your faith or desire our leadership to force it upon us?
If you want to be an American, you have to believe in the values we hold as a nation - not the ones you choose to remember. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of religious belief, race, creed, gender or sexual orientation. Start using those values in your writing and people might start taking you seriously.
Furthermore, what right do you have, Mr. Frederick, to presume your fellow countrymen want or need your faith or desire our leadership to force it upon us?
If you want to be an American, you have to believe in the values we hold as a nation - not the ones you choose to remember. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness regardless of religious belief, race, creed, gender or sexual orientation. Start using those values in your writing and people might start taking you seriously.
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So in your opinion, all faiths that are included in the USA diversity should renounce their personal beliefs because the Dominionists say otherwise? All Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Wiccan, Pagan, Native American( you do know they were here first) and let's not forget the atheist should be forced to worship the God of Israel because the 1st Amendment only applies to Christians? Haven't Christians taken control of enough already? 1954 Changed the 60yr old Pledge of Allegiance to include "under God" that was not originally included when the Baptist minister wrote it. 1956 Putting "In God we trust" on the nation's paper currency which is according to the Bible rule book of Top Ten Commandments would be taking God's name in vane. I'm sure you will respond with the typical superior piety of the religious and tell me I am an awful, inferior American citizen because I don't believe in your version of faith, I'm very used to that position from the Christian community. When it comes to the Bible being the only real "truth", keep in mind that truth is not determined by the number of people that believe it to be true.
God or green power Yeager, mention either and you will get a very similar response. Both take a lot of belief and raise the same emotion.
Well, GOOD FOR PRES.OBAMA! Our family shared an amazing Thanksgiving, filled with lots of happiness, great food and SO MUCH LOVE. God did not make the cut and it's not lookin' good for him next year, either!
Liberty University, one of those no-tier, political crony, God schools, received $445M from the tax payers. I am sure they thank God every year for the money that the community of 300 million people gave them.
This right wing phony outrage is great. This guy wakes up on Thanksgiving, and he does this lazy 50 word post to all the right wing freaks on the Internet.
This right wing phony outrage is great. This guy wakes up on Thanksgiving, and he does this lazy 50 word post to all the right wing freaks on the Internet.
Sherman, you and your foxified, Fox RICO, world scale hacker friends are a joke. You can't do math, you can't do business, you can't do science. All you can do is fake outrage.
Unemployment is at record levels, 60 percent of the city is underwater, and Sherman Frederick is writing about the lack of the word "God" in Obama’s speech. People like Mr. Frederick - who represent the RJ, are out of touch with the general public’s concerns. Junk like this blog is why when Review Journal’s salesmen come door to door selling a year subscription for $5, I decline at whatever the cost. Get rid of this hyper-partisan nonsense, and start writing objective stories that inform readers about true issues... otherwise, you appear just as incompetent as the President you scold.
Wow. Impressive reaction, Sherm. I can't help wondering, with all the anti-God, "He doesn't exist", "we don't believe" comment, were these people trying to convince us.....
.....................................................or themselves?
.....................................................or themselves?
Mr Frederick, this is the problem with people of religion. They feel the need to force their views on everyone else. Not all of us believe in a man in the sky. I applaud the President for following federal mandates of seperating church and state. Thank you Mr President for thinking of everyone and leaving the speech neutral.
Mr. Frederick,
You should be ashamed of yourself. A person's relationship with their god is a personal and private matter between them and their god. It is not something to be worn like a neon sign around the neck.
Does your god ask you to judge others or point out their shortcomings? Perhaps you should spend more time reading the bible and less time preaching it.
You should be ashamed of yourself. A person's relationship with their god is a personal and private matter between them and their god. It is not something to be worn like a neon sign around the neck.
Does your god ask you to judge others or point out their shortcomings? Perhaps you should spend more time reading the bible and less time preaching it.
Holy cow! How screwed up is it that Sherman Frederick works in Sin City? I think he'd be happier in some godforsaken hell of a state like Alabama, where everyone is religiously obsessed. Someone should tell Shermo that one of the good things about America is that there is no mandatory expression of piety. Meanwhile, here is MY prayer for Thanksgiving: "Dear God, We paid for this stuff ourselves, so thanks for nothing."
Holy cow! How screwed up is it that Sherman Frederick plies his trade in Sin City? I think he'd be happier in some godforsaken hell of a state like Alabama, where everyone is a religiously-obsessed fanatic. Someone should tell Shermo that one of the good things about America is that there's no mandatory expression of piety. (And for the record, Obama DID mention God in other comments on the day, so there.) Meanwhile, here is MT prayer for Thanksgiving: "Dear God, We paid for this stuff ourselves, so thanks for nothing." Whatcha going to do about that??
Way to go Mr. Frederick, just another case of religious people stirring up ill feelings towards others. I'm religious, but I chose to keep my religion between myself and God. Does that bother you? Do you not have anything else more important to write about? As Thomas Jefferson put it best, "Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one."
Way to go Mr. Frederick, just another case of religious people stirring up ill feelings towards others. I'm religious, but I chose to keep my religion between myself and God. Does that bother you? Do you not have anything else more important to write about? As Thomas Jefferson put it best, "Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one."
Not a surprise from this white house sguatter. Most Americans think this guy thinks he is a god. This foreigh born muslem will go down in history as America's worst president ! May God Bless America and all real Americans give Thanks To God for our many blessings !
Mr. Frederick, I am an American. In fact, I am as American as they come. Some of my ancestors were on the Mayflower. Some of my ancestors were already here even then--native American. My ancestors fought in the revolution. I do NOT give thanks to any god on Thanksgiving. I am not alone; there are an estimated 50 million or more of us.
You have attempted to defend yourself by citing the history of Thanksgiving, but that is not what your post was about. You wrote that "Americans... give thanks to God" and not "most Americans... give thanks to God in the tradition of the holiday". What you wrote implies that those who don't give thanks to God are not Americans. Surely you can see that?
"Hate speech" may be too strong a term for what you wrote, but you are on that path because what you wrote is clearly divisive, insulting, and implicitly intolerant.
I noticed that one of the other commentors mentioned that George Bush's 2008 Thanksgiving address did not mention god. Did you write an outraged response on that occasion, Sherman? If not, why not? Could it be your dislike of Obama for some unacknowledged reason? Could it be that you are simply using any excuse to attack the President and try to turn the crowd against him? Turn it into an irrational lynch mob?
That is certainly how it looks from here.
You have attempted to defend yourself by citing the history of Thanksgiving, but that is not what your post was about. You wrote that "Americans... give thanks to God" and not "most Americans... give thanks to God in the tradition of the holiday". What you wrote implies that those who don't give thanks to God are not Americans. Surely you can see that?
"Hate speech" may be too strong a term for what you wrote, but you are on that path because what you wrote is clearly divisive, insulting, and implicitly intolerant.
I noticed that one of the other commentors mentioned that George Bush's 2008 Thanksgiving address did not mention god. Did you write an outraged response on that occasion, Sherman? If not, why not? Could it be your dislike of Obama for some unacknowledged reason? Could it be that you are simply using any excuse to attack the President and try to turn the crowd against him? Turn it into an irrational lynch mob?
That is certainly how it looks from here.
Well sir with all due respect, not ALL Americans sit down to dinner and thank god.
I personally believe that is one of the problems in this country today, religion.
It kind of makes me like Obama a little more.
I personally believe that is one of the problems in this country today, religion.
It kind of makes me like Obama a little more.
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Three of the Republican presidential candidates – Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum – issued Thanksgiving statements that omitted any references to God. Will you be reminding them and their speech writers? Oh, I get it. It's only a transgression if Obama omits the words "thank God." Frederick, you're such a hypocrite.
Sherman....so who died and left you king and ruler? And just who and what is this god thing that's got you so twisted out of shape? Keep your religion to yourself. It's a free country hose nose!
Really? I went to 3 different family functions on Thanksgiving. Not one mentioned God. But all expressed gratitude. It would be nice if religous freedom also meant others not forcing their religious agenda on the rest of us. Also, when one side screams foul EVERY time time the President speaks, it seems insincere and cry wolfish. Remember, the majority of the people voted for him. Including me.
Ed.F: When you say there was mention of God, "But all expressed gratitude" ... exactly to whom or what was that gratitude expressed?
... Thank you Safeway for this Turkey?
... Thank you Safeway for this Turkey?
Sharman Frederick is obviously lucky to have a job that isn't a Wal-Mart greeter. I spent Thanksgiving with my family, which includes right-wing conservatives as well as liberals, and *no one* made mention of god whatsoever. Stop trying to force your superstitious beliefs on the rest of the country. And as another commenter said, if you simply object to every little thing Obama says, it doesn't look sincere.
Wow, I can just imagine you watching the address, your crossed-eyes and open mouth drooling just waiting for the president to mention 'god' so your little mind can rest at ease and everything will be okay. GROW UP.
Wow, I can just imagine you watching the address, your crossed-eyes and open mouth drooling just waiting for the president to mention 'god' so your little mind can rest at ease and everything will be okay. GROW UP.
I can't imagine being an adult that actually concerns himself with tiny, stupid issues like this. This is what a website has HIRED you to do? This is your 'talent'? Your talent is listening to speeches and listening for one-syllable words, and if they don't appear, you write a three-sentence long article condemning the speech? I just can't believe you get paid. This better be a volunteer job.
Well you're wrong Sherman, Maybe some Americans, but not almost all, would find it "odd." Maybe almost all however, would find it "odd" at how unpatriotic you seem in that you objected to the President being thankful to the men and women who protect our country. Maybe someone should remind YOU that this is America, and when seated around the Thanksgiving table we can give thanks to whomever or whatever we want. Thanksgiving is NOT, I repeat, NOT a religious holiday! In case you missed it, Romney, Gingrich,and Santorum, in their Thanksgiving statements, also thanked our troops,never mentioning God. Let's at least tell the whole truth!
Actually most Americans either don't believe in God or don't care. Either way there is no reason for Obama to bring religion into his speech. Anyone offended by Obama not mentioning God ought to consider what an atheist like me feels every time every other president has given God thanks. They are separate issues, leave God out of our public lives.
Have I tapped in to the "we don't give thanks to God" Obama constituency, or what?
That's your comeback?
Thank God Obama can give a speech and not have to thank God.. Hurray for him. Boo on you for making this a big issue.
That's all the comeback needed. Are you reading these responses?
It's either all the comeback needed, or all the comeback you're capable of. I think I'll bet on your incapability. The same mind that writes a ridiculous blog post about the president not mentioning god on a non-religious holiday certainly couldn't make a decent comeback. Guess I knew that. I just can't believe this is your job.
I find it selfless and refreshing to see and hear our president thank the people who make a positive difference in the lives of all Americans. If you think your god is solely responsible for the good fortune of others and demand a public acknowledgement for that, you take the credit away from those who truly deserve it. That is a very selfish demand and not worthy of anyone's thanks.
I actually find it refreshing he didn't mention anything about religion. This country is supposed to be a melting pot, embracing diversity and differences. And lately, it doesn't seem that way.
Not everyone gives thanks to the same God....your God might not be your neighbor's God or that guy over there's God or someone else's. There are so many views on religion, so many believers and non-believers and there was zero need to mention God in his speech.
I give him credit. Why not keep the peace? I found his choice the respectful one, instead of alienating so many people with the mentioning of God.
Just because your family and friends grew up with a belief, doesn't mean people outside of your circle don't believe in something different.
Embrace that. Keep your ears open, mouth shut, learn what makes us different...or from what you perceive as differences, alike.
Kudos to the President.
Not everyone gives thanks to the same God....your God might not be your neighbor's God or that guy over there's God or someone else's. There are so many views on religion, so many believers and non-believers and there was zero need to mention God in his speech.
I give him credit. Why not keep the peace? I found his choice the respectful one, instead of alienating so many people with the mentioning of God.
Just because your family and friends grew up with a belief, doesn't mean people outside of your circle don't believe in something different.
Embrace that. Keep your ears open, mouth shut, learn what makes us different...or from what you perceive as differences, alike.
Kudos to the President.
Odd? No. Petty and bigoted? Yes, very much so.
Amazing how you can find something to hate from the most innocuous of well-wishing. Don't we have enough religious advertising foisted on us by our government every day? You can always pull out a dollar bill and meditate over the religious graffiti the government prints on that if you felt so slighted by our president's comments.
Amazing how you can find something to hate from the most innocuous of well-wishing. Don't we have enough religious advertising foisted on us by our government every day? You can always pull out a dollar bill and meditate over the religious graffiti the government prints on that if you felt so slighted by our president's comments.
Damn - I forgot the best bit of Sherman The Weasel's post here: he is chastising the President for thanking the troops.
As with most GOP mouthpieces, Sherman will turn hypocrite on just about any issue they supposedly hold dear if it means they can take a dump on the President or the opposition. So, while its fine on a regular day to PRETEND that they really care about our men & women off fighting our wars, when push comes to shove they will show their true colors.
The President's speech was meant (remember, the title itself says so) to thank the troops and remind the rest of us to thank them (and those who serve the less fortunate) on a day when they are literally half a world away from their loved ones.
Yet, here comes small minded zealots like Sherman to steal that spotlight for their own narrow minded, political-point-making reasons. Guess we see how they really feel about those the troops, huh?
As with most GOP mouthpieces, Sherman will turn hypocrite on just about any issue they supposedly hold dear if it means they can take a dump on the President or the opposition. So, while its fine on a regular day to PRETEND that they really care about our men & women off fighting our wars, when push comes to shove they will show their true colors.
The President's speech was meant (remember, the title itself says so) to thank the troops and remind the rest of us to thank them (and those who serve the less fortunate) on a day when they are literally half a world away from their loved ones.
Yet, here comes small minded zealots like Sherman to steal that spotlight for their own narrow minded, political-point-making reasons. Guess we see how they really feel about those the troops, huh?
This part of your entry illustrates your lack of self awareness.
"Somebody ought to remind Obama (and his speechwriter) that when Americans sit down around a meal today and give thanks, they give thanks to God."
Someone ought to remind you (and your ego) that you have no idea what Americans give thanks to on thanksgiving. I don't know anyone who associates Thanksgiving with God. many who are aware of it's religious origins, but none who celebrate it for those reasons.
"Somebody ought to remind Obama (and his speechwriter) that when Americans sit down around a meal today and give thanks, they give thanks to God."
Someone ought to remind you (and your ego) that you have no idea what Americans give thanks to on thanksgiving. I don't know anyone who associates Thanksgiving with God. many who are aware of it's religious origins, but none who celebrate it for those reasons.
Unbelievable! So many angry, guilty, God hating comments.
How sad. But if not God, then Government has to rush in and fill the void.
And what an incompetent deity Government is. Ø and his cronies are laughing all the way to the bank!
How sad. But if not God, then Government has to rush in and fill the void.
And what an incompetent deity Government is. Ø and his cronies are laughing all the way to the bank!
let's try this again, shall we? President Obama issued an official Thanksgiving Proclamation filled with references to God. Like his predecessors Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Reagan, he also recorded a short radio address that focused on our soliers' sacrifice, but did not mention the word God.
So Sherman Fredericks' factual premise is completely wrong. He is a serial bamboozeler. That is the important point, not endless gassy debates about atheism.
So Sherman Fredericks' factual premise is completely wrong. He is a serial bamboozeler. That is the important point, not endless gassy debates about atheism.
"I don't know anyone who associates Thanksgiving with God." -- Nice. Do you know anyone who thinks Jerry Sandusky was wrong?
Oh look! Sherm didn't reply to some comments completely obliterating his original post. How about you respond to petenyc rather than just replying and pointing out you may be able to find a person or two who associates Thanksgiving with god? The point is that outrage at not thanking god in one speech is ridiculous, especially since not everyone (or probably even not the majority) thanks god on Thanksgiving.
In addition to that, as petenyc mentioned, Obama made plenty of reference to god earlier and several presidential candidates on the right did not.
In addition to that, as petenyc mentioned, Obama made plenty of reference to god earlier and several presidential candidates on the right did not.
I didn't give thanks to your fabled god - I was thankful for my family, my kids & a wonderful meal. Nobody needs to remind the President or his speechwriters of anything! You are way too presumptive that the whole country gives thanks to this fabled "god"
You were thankful to whom for your family, kids and food?
I am thankful for the internet, which makes it possible to quickly call out Sherman Frederick on his serial bamboozlement.
And BTW, for all you who said that I'm way off saying most people thank God on Thanksgiving, 92% of Americans believe in God.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/23/ST2008062300818.html
You can post your apologies anytime.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/23/ST2008062300818.html
You can post your apologies anytime.
That 92% includes the President, who, contrary to Mr. Frederick's attempted bamboozlement, repeatedly acknowledged God in his Thanksgiving Proclamation.
You like semantic arguments, huh? If I say I'm 'thankful' for my family I mean I'm 'happy' to have them. I find it hard to believe that you could even convince yourself that you had a point right there.
Your link says that 92% of Americans believe in a god, does it say that 92% of them thank their god on Thanksgiving? Find me that study, and even then you'll only have made the point that Thanksgiving is a day of giving thanks and naturally religious people tend to give thanks to their god. It doesn't say anything to the idea that anyone else should care.
One thing you've ignored because you're a partisan hack is that Obama did make mention of God and Thanksgiving on separate occasions, just not this speech. In addition, several right-wingers made Thanksgiving remarks with no mention of God. I believe Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney were among those.
Now Sherm, I can appreciate that you're a man who isn't very bright. Normally I'm accepting of you special folks, but I do tend to get annoyed when you convince yourselves that you're properly cut out for this type of job.
Your link says that 92% of Americans believe in a god, does it say that 92% of them thank their god on Thanksgiving? Find me that study, and even then you'll only have made the point that Thanksgiving is a day of giving thanks and naturally religious people tend to give thanks to their god. It doesn't say anything to the idea that anyone else should care.
One thing you've ignored because you're a partisan hack is that Obama did make mention of God and Thanksgiving on separate occasions, just not this speech. In addition, several right-wingers made Thanksgiving remarks with no mention of God. I believe Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney were among those.
Now Sherm, I can appreciate that you're a man who isn't very bright. Normally I'm accepting of you special folks, but I do tend to get annoyed when you convince yourselves that you're properly cut out for this type of job.
"Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone." Thomas Jefferson
As petenyc often does, he tries to divert the thread to something else. We're not talking about the president's Thanksgiving proclamation. We're talking about his weekly radio address on Thanksgiving. To say that the first Thanksgiving was about "community" and fail to even mention God, is (as I said) "odd". It also totally misunderstands the community at the first Thanksgiving.
LOL, now it's 133 responses but amazingly, at least to me, most of them have been to criticize Sherman, and his premise.
To any new posters here, ask Sherman if he belives America is a 'Christian nation?' I think he must believe that considering his 'rebuttal' that 92 percent of Americans believe in 'God.' I haven't seen this poll but I'm wondering if these 92 percent of Americans all believe in the same 'God?'
But really, Sherman, people here just are not buying your premise of "one screwed up view or what" because the president failed to mention the word "God" in a Thanksgiving speech. They are rightly calling your bluff here!
I really believe Sherman thought the exact opposite would happen, that this kind of divisive nonsense would do what it normally does, bring out the religious zealots who start reading bible verses and start calling people 'baby-killers.'
To any new posters here, ask Sherman if he belives America is a 'Christian nation?' I think he must believe that considering his 'rebuttal' that 92 percent of Americans believe in 'God.' I haven't seen this poll but I'm wondering if these 92 percent of Americans all believe in the same 'God?'
But really, Sherman, people here just are not buying your premise of "one screwed up view or what" because the president failed to mention the word "God" in a Thanksgiving speech. They are rightly calling your bluff here!
I really believe Sherman thought the exact opposite would happen, that this kind of divisive nonsense would do what it normally does, bring out the religious zealots who start reading bible verses and start calling people 'baby-killers.'
On a list of things that are wrong in America at this time, where you anyone put 'the president did not mention the word "God" in his Thanksgiving speech?' Last, or next to last?
And just for the record, Sherman, according to our Constitution, an athiest can be elected president in America. Really. There is not a word in there about the president having to believe in God.
So that being the case, why is it important that he doens't mention God in a Thanksgiving speech?
So that being the case, why is it important that he doens't mention God in a Thanksgiving speech?
Seriously, who associates God with Thanksgiving?
Things people associate with Thanksgiving:
1) Turkey
2) Family
3) Pilgrims
4) Stuffing
5) Indians (Native Americans I suppose, but we think Indians)
6) Cranberry Sauce
7) Helen Keller
8) Christmas Music
9) Spaghetti Monsters
10) God
What about the great number of Americans who don't believe in God? Or believe in a different God than the first celebrators of Turkey Day? (notice it's not God day) Most people have enough sense to understand that God, as described in the bible or other religious texts, is not real. Even if we choose to believe or have faith in a greater power, why should we be so insecure as to need our leader to make a reference to it in a speech that 95% of the country will never see?
Things people associate with Thanksgiving:
1) Turkey
2) Family
3) Pilgrims
4) Stuffing
5) Indians (Native Americans I suppose, but we think Indians)
6) Cranberry Sauce
7) Helen Keller
8) Christmas Music
9) Spaghetti Monsters
10) God
What about the great number of Americans who don't believe in God? Or believe in a different God than the first celebrators of Turkey Day? (notice it's not God day) Most people have enough sense to understand that God, as described in the bible or other religious texts, is not real. Even if we choose to believe or have faith in a greater power, why should we be so insecure as to need our leader to make a reference to it in a speech that 95% of the country will never see?
Well ONE positive note to take from all the responses to this topic.
We now know why so many of our fellow Americans are so screwed up!
Sorry, folks, but you all make lousy gods! And the clowns in DC are just that.....clowns!
We now know why so many of our fellow Americans are so screwed up!
Sorry, folks, but you all make lousy gods! And the clowns in DC are just that.....clowns!
Here's a website you should check out. Maybe some of you liberal posters are in the video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOshw4kIGR4
See if you can spot yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOshw4kIGR4
See if you can spot yourself.
Well ONE positive note to take from all the responses to this topic.
We now know why so many of our fellow Americans are so screwed up!
Anybody see the irony in Athos being the one what wrote the above?
(It's certain he didn't).
We now know why so many of our fellow Americans are so screwed up!
Anybody see the irony in Athos being the one what wrote the above?
(It's certain he didn't).
Anybody see the irony in Athos being the one what wrote the above?(It's certain he didn't).
Keep your religious views to yourself, Sherman. God and state do not mix... and references to god(a fictional literary character) have no place in a speech addressed to a nation of people from every single corner of the earth, all with different gods, different views, and beliefs. Give it a rest.
More distraction and division from the rightwing noise machine. Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum failed to mention God in their speeches.
Keep fanning the flames of the "culture wars". America is sick of the divisiveness.
Keep fanning the flames of the "culture wars". America is sick of the divisiveness.
did anyone go to church on Thursday? Did churches have services for thanksgiving?
We 'liberal posters' here do have to give Athos credit, he is the one conservative here, when it comes right down to it, who is willing to at least try and defend Sherman's idiotic premise here. Even Sherman isn't willing to do that.
To J.Mal, good list but what this is really about is conservatives trying to stick it to a Democratic president, any way they can.
And to everyone, this is how it works: Some conservative organization, or it could even be one person but they decide the 'latest conservative outrage.' It probably starts with Limbaugh, it then goes to his minions in talk radio, starting with Hannity, then Fox and Friends starts pushing it. Then all of Fox News starts pushing it and pretty soon you have a full-fledged, genuinely made-up, latest conservative outrage, which just 'proves' the liberal media and liberals in general are tying to destroy their way of life, albeit their miserable lives. Sorry, could not resist.
Anyway, that is basically how it works folks.
To J.Mal, good list but what this is really about is conservatives trying to stick it to a Democratic president, any way they can.
And to everyone, this is how it works: Some conservative organization, or it could even be one person but they decide the 'latest conservative outrage.' It probably starts with Limbaugh, it then goes to his minions in talk radio, starting with Hannity, then Fox and Friends starts pushing it. Then all of Fox News starts pushing it and pretty soon you have a full-fledged, genuinely made-up, latest conservative outrage, which just 'proves' the liberal media and liberals in general are tying to destroy their way of life, albeit their miserable lives. Sorry, could not resist.
Anyway, that is basically how it works folks.
But good for you Athos, I like people who are willing to keep fighting, no matter how bad it looks for you.
But I am never ceased to be amazed how the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' really works, really, they are so much better at this than liberals are, and the whole time, they get to complain about the 'liberal media.'
Irony, Jerry? It does make you think, doesn't it?
We want to save the country for THESE people? Hmmm.
If it wasn't so cold, I'd move to Canada. At least they can balance a budget by cutting government spending!
We want to save the country for THESE people? Hmmm.
If it wasn't so cold, I'd move to Canada. At least they can balance a budget by cutting government spending!
You are a bigot, sir. Not ALL Americans worship a deity. This country was NOT founded on Christian principles, and the Thanksgiving holiday is easily the most evil holiday in American history.
No one would celebrate the Atlantic Slave Trade with a day of giving thanks and feasting.
What you have said is vastly offensive to every single American citizen who does not worship or believe in a deity, and the sad thing is, few people have checked you on it.
You would be quite angry if someone accused Mr. Obama of not giving thanks to Lucifer or Zeus. You would be highly offended.
That's how all atheists and agnostics probably feel, after reading what you said.
I am ashamed to be your countryman.
No one would celebrate the Atlantic Slave Trade with a day of giving thanks and feasting.
What you have said is vastly offensive to every single American citizen who does not worship or believe in a deity, and the sad thing is, few people have checked you on it.
You would be quite angry if someone accused Mr. Obama of not giving thanks to Lucifer or Zeus. You would be highly offended.
That's how all atheists and agnostics probably feel, after reading what you said.
I am ashamed to be your countryman.
Good old Sean.Draven.
"Thus endeth the lesson for the day!"
Amen, brother!
"Thus endeth the lesson for the day!"
Amen, brother!
I don't think you are doing anything to advance civility when you quote the worst of your atheist responses to your complaint about Obama sticking to reality as he covers Thanksgiving. If I posted a Blog complaining that you theists want too much public prayer, I am sure I would get some nasty responses from you theists, but I wouldn't try to mis-characterize all theists as nut cases.
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