ObamaCare: A disaster in waiting
Last Friday President Barack Obama tried to wipe off the muck on his face after falling in it over ObamaCare by forcing religious institutions to sin in the form of providing free contraception and abortion services.
It's unknown just exactly what the president's new "compromise" deal is other than, magically, religious organization won't pay for the contracepttion/abortion services directly, but only indirectly.
You don't have to be quick-as-a-wink to figure out how that went over.
The U.S. Catholic church greeted the "compromise" as even more of an insult and a clear indication that this president doesn't get it when it comes to guarding freedom of religion and people of conscience.
(As an aside, Sen. Harry Reid has so far supported the president on this abortion stance. It further draws attention to what must be a widening gap between Sen. Reid and his church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.)
The Complete Las Vegan draws your attention to MSNBC's "Morning Joe" for an excellent discussion from both points of view. It's a few minutes long, so stick with it.
Toward the end you will find Jim Cramer chime in on a point that I figure will be a big issue as the year progresses: The negative effect ObamaCare will have on jobs and the economy. Cramer warns clearly that the primary promise of ObamaCare -- that it will be good for the people and the economy -- is likely not true. It's going to result in higher health costs, lower quality care and fewer jobs.
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I know our insurance cost went up, company wide. In fact one division would have shown a several million dollar profit if it were not for the health insurance costs. Instead that division showed a 2 million dollar loss. My employer uses a self insured health plan. That means they fund the plan each year in advance and add to it if needed. Our costs almost doupled this year. Thanks Obamacare.
But Sherm, just like high energy prices (and gasoline) are NECESSARY for this administration to wean us from foreign oil, Ø isn't concerned with higher health costs, lower quality care and fewer jobs (except government UNION jobs!)
His vision of a new America is NOT my vision. And he's never wavered from his core beliefs. That's why we have such rabid posters, and a very protective MSM, that labors night and day, preventing the people from seeing this man as he really is.
But it's impossible to hide $TRILLION budget deficits, 4 years running, isn't it?
His vision of a new America is NOT my vision. And he's never wavered from his core beliefs. That's why we have such rabid posters, and a very protective MSM, that labors night and day, preventing the people from seeing this man as he really is.
But it's impossible to hide $TRILLION budget deficits, 4 years running, isn't it?
Exactly, Athos.
Thank you senator Reid and president Obama for sticking up for womens healthcare...no church has any right to dictate what my healthcare should be. Sherm..Obama care does not cover abortion....the morning after pill keeps you from getting pregnant ...does not cause abortion..anyway abortion is legal and it should be covered, but it isn't......If the repubs want to run on a platform that would ban BC....good luck with that.
Last Friday President Barack Obama tried to wipe off the muck on his face after falling in it over ObamaCare by forcing religious institutions to sin in the form of providing free contraception and abortion services.
Seems you better wipe it off your face Sherman; The religious institutions' insurance will, in fact, be providing free contraception and abortions services after all. They just won't pay their fair share.
As far as ObamaCare; sorry, Sherman, (and xfmrh) you're wrong here, too. This year was the smallest increase in healthcare cost in the last 10 years; 4%.
You two are going to have to try serving a difference kind of right-wing cool aid to your easily fooled readers; you and Rush Limbaugh are just too easy to see through, nowadays.
Seems you better wipe it off your face Sherman; The religious institutions' insurance will, in fact, be providing free contraception and abortions services after all. They just won't pay their fair share.
As far as ObamaCare; sorry, Sherman, (and xfmrh) you're wrong here, too. This year was the smallest increase in healthcare cost in the last 10 years; 4%.
You two are going to have to try serving a difference kind of right-wing cool aid to your easily fooled readers; you and Rush Limbaugh are just too easy to see through, nowadays.
Program is working good and getting better. Ask the people that got the insurance through HSA for people with pre-existing conditions. We heard the Republicans solution at the debate: "...let them die! "
Too bad Jesus kicked over the money-changer's stand in the temple, that throws a monkey wrench into the Ayran Rand philosophy of the like of Paul Von Ryan (who gets his insurance through the government.)
BTW what insurance company would insure you with your pre-existing conditions? Guess that is why the RJ has "Shermocare" for you.
Too bad Jesus kicked over the money-changer's stand in the temple, that throws a monkey wrench into the Ayran Rand philosophy of the like of Paul Von Ryan (who gets his insurance through the government.)
BTW what insurance company would insure you with your pre-existing conditions? Guess that is why the RJ has "Shermocare" for you.
Jerry, before you post anymore about ØCare, you'd better read this short article:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/11/obamacare-architect-expect-steep-increase-in-health-care-premiums/
Unless you enjoy living up to the stereotype of doddering old fools.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/11/obamacare-architect-expect-steep-increase-in-health-care-premiums/
Unless you enjoy living up to the stereotype of doddering old fools.
the only problem with Obamacare ...it didn't go far enough...it should be single payer....and the profit removed from insurance co, and put the money back in the care of pts....not insurance big wigs who get paid many millions of dollars to keep you from getting care that you need.
Health insurance rates are up. Health care spending grew by only 4.4 percent, but this is because utilization is down due to unemployment and the recession.
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/01/11/health-spending-down%E2%80%94because-people-are-avoiding-care/
As person quoted in the above piece says: Obama administration “really can’t claim any credit unless it’s to say, ‘We broke the economy and you can thank us for that.’ ”
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/01/11/health-spending-down%E2%80%94because-people-are-avoiding-care/
As person quoted in the above piece says: Obama administration “really can’t claim any credit unless it’s to say, ‘We broke the economy and you can thank us for that.’ ”
Wait until the states get whacked with the hugh Medicaid annual bills that are looming.
It will no money for schools and public safety and all going to increases in Medicaid cost.
thank you Reid and Obama and Dems
It will no money for schools and public safety and all going to increases in Medicaid cost.
thank you Reid and Obama and Dems
Sure, health care spending only increased by 4% but the insurance costs went up THIS year and you keep refering to LAST year, Jerry.
Talk about cool aid...
Talk about cool aid...
I think you have your priorities out of order, Vicar Frederick. If you want to pick a cause, perhaps you might consider helping protect our kids from child molestation and rape by priests.
"Catholic Priest Allegedly Told Child He Was Raping That ‘This Is What God’s Love Feels Like’"
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/12/catholic-priest-allegedly-told-child-he-was-raping-that-this-is-what-gods-love-feels-like/
"Catholic Priest Allegedly Told Child He Was Raping That ‘This Is What God’s Love Feels Like’"
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/12/catholic-priest-allegedly-told-child-he-was-raping-that-this-is-what-gods-love-feels-like/
Sherm: Right now most families are having a very difficult time just feeding, clothing & sheltering the children they now have. How in the world do you expect them to take care of additional mouths & don't tell me "God will provide". Utimately, the taxpayers will have to help. ANd...who are you and any men to tell women they should not have access to contraceptives. That is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. And...I would much rather my tax dollars go to help women with their health & family planning issues than spend those dollars on war, over-the-line defense spending, and giving those who are wealthy extra tax breaks. KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF WOMEN'S HEALTH CHOICES!!!!!! You claim it is a 1st amendment issue & you are right--however you have the wrong "right". It is keeping the religious groups from telling us what to do, not what government is telling the church. Pres. Obama has already compromised with church leaders on that issue.
Also, our founders put the first amendment in our Constitution to keep establishing any religion that could tell us what we could and couldn't do. I personally have a serious issue with religions that have all men at the top of the hierarchy and then these men want to tell women what to do.
Also, our founders put the first amendment in our Constitution to keep establishing any religion that could tell us what we could and couldn't do. I personally have a serious issue with religions that have all men at the top of the hierarchy and then these men want to tell women what to do.
If the Catholic Church wants to do business in the US, it needs to bide by US law. Period. That being said, if a worker, who has the right to be provided contraceptive coverage chooses not to want this coverage, they should be able to not take that portion of the coverage.
SHerm, would have us all return to a time when the insurance companies could drop you from coverage when you got sick, something "Obamacare" eliminated.
SHerm, would have us all return to a time when the insurance companies could drop you from coverage when you got sick, something "Obamacare" eliminated.
New Study: Health Care Costs Fall When Poor Get Health Care Coverage
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/new-study-health-care-costs-fall-when
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/new-study-health-care-costs-fall-when
Puzzled - Everybody already has access to contraceptives, why are you puzzled ?
Big Government Talks: "If the Catholic Church wants to do business in the US, it needs to bide by US law. Period."
You hear that Catholics.
Big Government wants to enslave you.
Freedom of Religion has just be nixed.
Big Government is now in chargge.
You hear that Catholics.
Big Government wants to enslave you.
Freedom of Religion has just be nixed.
Big Government is now in chargge.
Lester--are you somewhere in a cave? Not everyone is covered for contraceptives and only the rich can pay their own way for contraceptives. If contraceptives are not covered by insurance, then the women are required to pay full price and that can cost them from $600 to $1,200 per year. Most women cannot afford that.
And...birth control pills are NOT just for contraceptives either--many women take them for medical reasons.
It is like saying to men "As a woman, I don't need PSA tests therefore why should they be covered or I don't take Viagra so why should they be covered?"
I have a suggestion--why don't we women gang together & not one woman would have sex with her husband until he is willing to say contraceptives should be covered. How soon would it take to get men to back down from their "holier than thou" attitude about contraceptiver. Thank heavens for all the men who are supporting the women's right to choose and be covered under health insurance--they are indeed saints!!!!!!!!
And...birth control pills are NOT just for contraceptives either--many women take them for medical reasons.
It is like saying to men "As a woman, I don't need PSA tests therefore why should they be covered or I don't take Viagra so why should they be covered?"
I have a suggestion--why don't we women gang together & not one woman would have sex with her husband until he is willing to say contraceptives should be covered. How soon would it take to get men to back down from their "holier than thou" attitude about contraceptiver. Thank heavens for all the men who are supporting the women's right to choose and be covered under health insurance--they are indeed saints!!!!!!!!
Remember when the democrats of Nevada said we were in a budget short fall that included not only the real costs of operations but the proposed RAISES they wanted for departments.
Reminds me Obama's budget. Since he didn't ask for a raise of 1 trillion dollars, his budget saves us a 1 trillion dollars? How is that savings? Only democrats think with such logic.
Reminds me Obama's budget. Since he didn't ask for a raise of 1 trillion dollars, his budget saves us a 1 trillion dollars? How is that savings? Only democrats think with such logic.
All democrats care about is killing babies. I guess they can disquise it all they want by the word "choice" but, in what other way can we legally butcher a life? I hope God or Karma gets back
Abortion can be legal for medical well being of the mother, rape, and incest only, not out of convienance. People have a choice where to go for medical advice if you don't like the fact a catholic medical place doesn't like contraceptives then go somewhere else. Stop forcing your ideas on others like little democrat nazis.
Abortion can be legal for medical well being of the mother, rape, and incest only, not out of convienance. People have a choice where to go for medical advice if you don't like the fact a catholic medical place doesn't like contraceptives then go somewhere else. Stop forcing your ideas on others like little democrat nazis.
Two quick points, because of this issue Mitt Romney has now been forced to adopt the Rick Santorum position that 'birth control is a sin and should not be available to women.'
So Mitt Romney is now against birth control. Let's see how the women of America feel about that.
Second point, 'ObamaCare.' How many of you here remember 'HillaryCare,' anyone? See, this is what Republicans do, they try to scare the hell out of people by pretending Hillary Clinton or President Obama are going to take-over your health care choices.
Does anybody see the irony in that the very same people who are trying to prevent women from receiving birth control now claim the OTHER GUYS are trying to take over your health care choices?
So Mitt Romney is now against birth control. Let's see how the women of America feel about that.
Second point, 'ObamaCare.' How many of you here remember 'HillaryCare,' anyone? See, this is what Republicans do, they try to scare the hell out of people by pretending Hillary Clinton or President Obama are going to take-over your health care choices.
Does anybody see the irony in that the very same people who are trying to prevent women from receiving birth control now claim the OTHER GUYS are trying to take over your health care choices?
'ObamaCare,' you all want to know why first President Bill Clinton first tried and then President Barack Obama succeeded, sort of, but do you think these Democratic Presidents made health insurance reform such a priority just for the hell of it? Because they really are Socialists bent on destroying our way of life? Really?
Here is why they did it, because the United States pays as much as 3 times more per person for health care than those damn French do, and the part that really pisses me off is those damn French live longer!!
But that is why these Democratic presidents, Clinton and Obama, made health insurance reform such a priority.
Here is why they did it, because the United States pays as much as 3 times more per person for health care than those damn French do, and the part that really pisses me off is those damn French live longer!!
But that is why these Democratic presidents, Clinton and Obama, made health insurance reform such a priority.
I usually lose a post or two on topics like this one but I'm going to keep saying this until I see it post, the United States pays up to 3 times as much, per person, for health care than every other country in the world that we would normally compare ourselves with. You all know the countries, I don't have to list them but the bottom is pretty simple, most countries in Europe pay one helluvu lot less for health care and THEY LIVE LONGER.
What are they doing right and we are doing wrong?
I will admit to not totally understanding why Republicans don't see this too? I mean, I'm a liberal Democrat but I don't believe Republicans want Americans to pay 3 times as much as the French do for health care and then live shorter lives. I don't quite understand that part of the equation.
What are they doing right and we are doing wrong?
I will admit to not totally understanding why Republicans don't see this too? I mean, I'm a liberal Democrat but I don't believe Republicans want Americans to pay 3 times as much as the French do for health care and then live shorter lives. I don't quite understand that part of the equation.
The United States pays up to 3 times as much per person for health care and live shorter lives than every comparable country in Europe. Period.
Yeager, you need to post your drivel 3 more times for Davie-boy Plouffe to meet his quota.
Well, what a fine bunch of children you liberal posters are!
Don't you touch our contraceptives! ( don't want to touch it. I don't think it's my responsibility to pay for it!)
How is a woman suppose to afford $600 to $1200 A YEAR? (are you serious? Maybe they could cut out the Starbucks run, eh?)
And misdirect much, Mike Duffy? Should we ban any federal money from going to Syracuse or Penn State, too? But that is a totally different topic, isn't it?
And if the Church don't like what the State wants, too bad!(Who died and left you Catholics God, anyway?)
Wanna know why socialism doesn't work? Cause people get addicted to free stuff, get entitled (spoiled), and love it when someone else pays (but mostly they don't even think about the cost or someone else paying).
Kinda like children. And this country contains the most spoiled, privileged people that have ever graced this Earth. Medical costs 3 times everyone else? Maybe because our medical process would be considered miraculous just 40 years ago (when I was a young man), and still God-like compared to 75% of the world, right now.
Need a gallon of milk? A gourmet meal? A new car? A 4G cell phone with complete internet access (which is like having a library in your pocket)? Central A/C? And so on, and so on and so on.
Our POVERTY LEVEL would put people in the top ten% of their respective villages, in well over half the world TODAY. And yet, we want more. For free. Cause why should we pay for it? Look at all those rich fat cats that have all that money!
Like Madonna or Michael Moore. Oops, not them. Look at Mittens and Rupert Murdock and evil Republican millionaires! Get the money from them!
Grow up, already!
Well, what a fine bunch of children you liberal posters are!
Don't you touch our contraceptives! ( don't want to touch it. I don't think it's my responsibility to pay for it!)
How is a woman suppose to afford $600 to $1200 A YEAR? (are you serious? Maybe they could cut out the Starbucks run, eh?)
And misdirect much, Mike Duffy? Should we ban any federal money from going to Syracuse or Penn State, too? But that is a totally different topic, isn't it?
And if the Church don't like what the State wants, too bad!(Who died and left you Catholics God, anyway?)
Wanna know why socialism doesn't work? Cause people get addicted to free stuff, get entitled (spoiled), and love it when someone else pays (but mostly they don't even think about the cost or someone else paying).
Kinda like children. And this country contains the most spoiled, privileged people that have ever graced this Earth. Medical costs 3 times everyone else? Maybe because our medical process would be considered miraculous just 40 years ago (when I was a young man), and still God-like compared to 75% of the world, right now.
Need a gallon of milk? A gourmet meal? A new car? A 4G cell phone with complete internet access (which is like having a library in your pocket)? Central A/C? And so on, and so on and so on.
Our POVERTY LEVEL would put people in the top ten% of their respective villages, in well over half the world TODAY. And yet, we want more. For free. Cause why should we pay for it? Look at all those rich fat cats that have all that money!
Like Madonna or Michael Moore. Oops, not them. Look at Mittens and Rupert Murdock and evil Republican millionaires! Get the money from them!
Grow up, already!
Hey Yeager, I cant help but wonder where Greece lands on your list of European countries with great healthcare plans....
Oh its probably been removed of late. Too much burning and riots.
Oh its probably been removed of late. Too much burning and riots.
Would the government make a non-profit Jewish soup kitchen serve pork by law?
No it goes like this: could a Jewish Run hospital stop an employee from eating a pulled pork sandwich on Saturday? They are employers, not churches. If you want to run a business, for profit or non-profit, and have employees then you are not a church. get it?
mrs ed, no you misunderstand but are close.
It would be: Can the government require a jewish run hospital to serve pulled pork sandwhiches to patients?
Customers can eat what they want that isnt the issue, it is government forcing them to do something the hospital doesn't believe in not the patient. The patient doesn't like it, go to another hospital that isn't WELL KNOWN to be against something. You little democrat nazies.
It would be: Can the government require a jewish run hospital to serve pulled pork sandwhiches to patients?
Customers can eat what they want that isnt the issue, it is government forcing them to do something the hospital doesn't believe in not the patient. The patient doesn't like it, go to another hospital that isn't WELL KNOWN to be against something. You little democrat nazies.
Please keep talking about restricting contraception.
Hey, hey, hey, ho, here comes Big Government.
Big Government wants to do you a favor and all you need to turn over your life and your rights especially Religious Liberty to it.
Big Government got a pill for you and wants to shove it down your throat.
Hey, hey, hey, ho here comes Big Government.
Big Government wants to do you a favor and all you need to turn over your life and your rights especially Religious Liberty to it.
Big Government got a pill for you and wants to shove it down your throat.
Hey, hey, hey, ho here comes Big Government.
Breaking News: Obama has proposed changing words in the National Anthem from:
"From ev'ry mountainside: Let freedom ring!"
to
"From ev'ry mountainside: Let Big Government ring!
"From ev'ry mountainside: Let freedom ring!"
to
"From ev'ry mountainside: Let Big Government ring!
Sure, health care spending only increased by 4% …….
Wait a minute, xfm, you said it "almost doubled." Seems you're selling the same cool aid as Fox, Thomas Mitchell, and the right wingers. Obama's Healthcare reform is saving money. Live with that fact. Just like SgtRock has to live with the fact that our government is not taking over religion. You guy have to stop watching Fox.
Wait a minute, xfm, you said it "almost doubled." Seems you're selling the same cool aid as Fox, Thomas Mitchell, and the right wingers. Obama's Healthcare reform is saving money. Live with that fact. Just like SgtRock has to live with the fact that our government is not taking over religion. You guy have to stop watching Fox.
Who would insure Sherm's pre-existing condition carcass? Medicare is your only hope.
Once again Jerry, you offer nothing. Insurance cost went up THIS year and you continue to insist on last years stats. Then you try to deflect with the same old crap you use every time when you are wrong. Make no mistake you are wrong and offer nothing to this discussion.
Once again Jerry, you offer nothing. Insurance cost went up THIS year and you continue to insist on last years stats. Then you try to deflect with the same old crap you use every time when you are wrong. Make no mistake you are wrong and offer nothing to this discussion.
Yeager - Americans eat themselves to death. Look around.
@ Puzzled: Good suggestion. Read "Lysistrata" by Aristophanes, sometime, a comedy about how Greek women who grew sick of the Peloponnesian War decided to stop having sex with their husbands until they stopped the war!
Dont worry about insulting Catholics, but dont dare insult Muslims.
Mrs. Ed - Sherm's carcass was pre-insured. Big difference.
Wait until the states get whacked with the hugh Medicaid annual bills that are looming. It will no money for schools and public safety and all going to increases in Medicaid cost. thank you Reid and Obama and Dems
This is SgtRock with downright delusional hatred, without any clue as to actual Medicare costs or where Medicare or school taxes even come from; much less how they're spent. Just open, uneducated, hate. Fox and the RJ has done a real number on you.
This is SgtRock with downright delusional hatred, without any clue as to actual Medicare costs or where Medicare or school taxes even come from; much less how they're spent. Just open, uneducated, hate. Fox and the RJ has done a real number on you.
All democrats care about is killing babies.
Even more delusions! What do you people use for brains? President Obama and the Democrats have been so successful in our pulling our country back from the brink that Bush put us on, and succeeded in the present recovery; and overhauling of healthcare; that you're beside yourself in outright partisan hatred. Republicans in Congress have no legitimate arguments or goals other than simply vote against - or block - absolute everything they can, in hopes of the economic destruction of our country. It's nearly treasonous. It's mindboggling how delusional you are and how you've allowed Fox and people like Sherman to stir you up like this. "Democrats want to kill babies?" You're like dumb little sheep.
Even more delusions! What do you people use for brains? President Obama and the Democrats have been so successful in our pulling our country back from the brink that Bush put us on, and succeeded in the present recovery; and overhauling of healthcare; that you're beside yourself in outright partisan hatred. Republicans in Congress have no legitimate arguments or goals other than simply vote against - or block - absolute everything they can, in hopes of the economic destruction of our country. It's nearly treasonous. It's mindboggling how delusional you are and how you've allowed Fox and people like Sherman to stir you up like this. "Democrats want to kill babies?" You're like dumb little sheep.
This is hilarious. You babbling idiots keep talking about restricting abortion and complaining about providing free contraception and of defend those paderasts that run the Catholic church!
I gotta congratulate the Democratic strategist that came up with this plsn.
The Catholic church can't turn out a vote. Even their own followers will not vote for what the pedarasts tell them to.
Better yet, the vast majority of women support both freedom of choice. They just don't admit it to the patriarchs that try to enslave them.
This issue is a beautiful reversal of the Rove strategy to scare people into voting for the GOP incumbents when rove manipulated the terrorist threat levels to scare the morons in this country to keep putting Cheney in control.
This little gem of a tactic is going to wee wee up all the authoritarian goof balls to a point that the GOP will suffer the most catastrophic losses this generation.
So by all means... keep talking about forcing women to have babies they don't want and denying access to birth control.
Your futile attempts to drag the other 80% of America back to the dark ages will be the the action that finally crushes the GOP for the next several decades.
I gotta congratulate the Democratic strategist that came up with this plsn.
The Catholic church can't turn out a vote. Even their own followers will not vote for what the pedarasts tell them to.
Better yet, the vast majority of women support both freedom of choice. They just don't admit it to the patriarchs that try to enslave them.
This issue is a beautiful reversal of the Rove strategy to scare people into voting for the GOP incumbents when rove manipulated the terrorist threat levels to scare the morons in this country to keep putting Cheney in control.
This little gem of a tactic is going to wee wee up all the authoritarian goof balls to a point that the GOP will suffer the most catastrophic losses this generation.
So by all means... keep talking about forcing women to have babies they don't want and denying access to birth control.
Your futile attempts to drag the other 80% of America back to the dark ages will be the the action that finally crushes the GOP for the next several decades.
Once again Jerry, you offer nothing.
I offered facts; and that's what seems to make you mad and start your tirades.
Insurance cost went up THIS year and you continue to insist on last years stats.
Everything's going up. They would have gone up anyway. So you get delusional, again, and make phony charges about me; like I, "insist on last year's stats." No I didn't and you can show where I did. You're simply stuck with the fact you go with a phony 'stat' of, "healthcare doubled,' when it didn't.
You and the other wing nuts are waving your hands and screaming all sorts of partisan baloney you can't back up, like "Democrats want to kill babies!" "Democrats want the government to take over healthcare!" "Democrats HAVE taken over healthcare." "The economy is failing!" "Democrats are Nazis!" You refuse to use logic, or address questions and facts that people like Pete or I post. Then there's posters like Athos who make no sense at all, can't stay on point, and make such ludicrous charges that most of us no longer read him. You people simply can't address facts and figures that show you wrong. Just go back and look at the stupid statements made here. Or dodge it like you usually do.
I offered facts; and that's what seems to make you mad and start your tirades.
Insurance cost went up THIS year and you continue to insist on last years stats.
Everything's going up. They would have gone up anyway. So you get delusional, again, and make phony charges about me; like I, "insist on last year's stats." No I didn't and you can show where I did. You're simply stuck with the fact you go with a phony 'stat' of, "healthcare doubled,' when it didn't.
You and the other wing nuts are waving your hands and screaming all sorts of partisan baloney you can't back up, like "Democrats want to kill babies!" "Democrats want the government to take over healthcare!" "Democrats HAVE taken over healthcare." "The economy is failing!" "Democrats are Nazis!" You refuse to use logic, or address questions and facts that people like Pete or I post. Then there's posters like Athos who make no sense at all, can't stay on point, and make such ludicrous charges that most of us no longer read him. You people simply can't address facts and figures that show you wrong. Just go back and look at the stupid statements made here. Or dodge it like you usually do.
Jerry, you should have read the article. Ever hear of a fellow from MIT by the name of Jonathan Gruber?
He's the guy that helped write RomneyCare for Mittens, and then was the showpiece for ØCare telling everyone that ØCare will reduce our medical costs.
NOW he's saying he made a little mistake and neither will save us any healthcare money. Instead, the costs are going up cause people aren't behaving the way they should. (People USE the system to get more free stuff! Imagine that!)
Oh well. It's all Bush's fault, right?
He's the guy that helped write RomneyCare for Mittens, and then was the showpiece for ØCare telling everyone that ØCare will reduce our medical costs.
NOW he's saying he made a little mistake and neither will save us any healthcare money. Instead, the costs are going up cause people aren't behaving the way they should. (People USE the system to get more free stuff! Imagine that!)
Oh well. It's all Bush's fault, right?
My carcass?
Don't interrupt, Sherm. He's on a roll!
And of course he meant "carcass" in purely loving terms.
Jerry talks tirades and launches right into one of his own, again. This would be funny if it were not so sad.
Jerry, take a breath and chill pill.
I am talking about Medicaid.
You are talking about Medicare.
ObamaCrap soon will open the flood gates on Medicaid cost of which the states share a lot of the cost.
That will leave less money for schools and public saftey in states like Nevada.
I am talking about Medicaid.
You are talking about Medicare.
ObamaCrap soon will open the flood gates on Medicaid cost of which the states share a lot of the cost.
That will leave less money for schools and public saftey in states like Nevada.
think of all those commie places that require insurance plans to cover contraception: Arizona, Georgia, Montana, North Carolina, West Virginia ...
Must be a lot of religion-hating Alinskyites in those places.
Must be a lot of religion-hating Alinskyites in those places.
Can't the liberal side of our little community do any better than this? Stand up and give us a good argument that presented so far.
Can't the liberal side of our little community do any better than this? Stand up and give us a good argument that presented so far.
Our recovering economy; you simply won't admit to it. All the Republican presidential candidates promise to do is to cut our Social Security; Medicare; reverse our healthcare gains and give more tax cuts to the rich. Why would anybody vote against their own economic wellbeing? "Why can't the conservative side of our little community do any better than understand that?"
Our recovering economy; you simply won't admit to it. All the Republican presidential candidates promise to do is to cut our Social Security; Medicare; reverse our healthcare gains and give more tax cuts to the rich. Why would anybody vote against their own economic wellbeing? "Why can't the conservative side of our little community do any better than understand that?"
Because we don't live in your delusional world, Jerry. Out here in the real world, things aren't good and the only hope for tomorrow is to kick that pimple out of DC.
For PeteNYC,
To bad Big Government Obama did not follow these examples. Instead, he wants to trample on religious and shove Big Government down the throats of Americans.
AZ, NC, West Viriginia allow exceptions or waivers to employers with religious objections.
GA does not require employers to buy insurance that cover contraceptives.
In Montana there are ways for churches and other religious instutions to get insurance that does not cover contraceptives.
Here comes Big Bad Government...and it wants to shove a pill down your throat.
To bad Big Government Obama did not follow these examples. Instead, he wants to trample on religious and shove Big Government down the throats of Americans.
AZ, NC, West Viriginia allow exceptions or waivers to employers with religious objections.
GA does not require employers to buy insurance that cover contraceptives.
In Montana there are ways for churches and other religious instutions to get insurance that does not cover contraceptives.
Here comes Big Bad Government...and it wants to shove a pill down your throat.
THE CARCASS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HAS 11 MONTHS TO GO...
START PACKIN Ø and MOOCHIE;)
START PACKIN Ø and MOOCHIE;)
Once in a great while Stephen.George SCREAMS SOMETHING that is actually funny.
Why would any liberal want to give GOP morons advice on how not to shoot themselves in the head grasping at dark ages concepts of morality?
You artards keep up the wanton self-destruction epitomized by the eloquence of the local racist drunk who always talks in caps.
You artards keep up the wanton self-destruction epitomized by the eloquence of the local racist drunk who always talks in caps.
YEA, BABY!
Liberal have to legislate morality because they don't have any.
Jerry - Did our president harm the future of Social Security with that payroll tax reduction ?
to "sgt rock" - you know who didn't permit any religious exemption? Mitt Romney's Massachusetts. I wonder why he didn't refuse to sign the executive order as a violation of the First Amendment?
By the way - I can't find any religious exemption in the Georgia statute. Can you? It is Ga. Code § 33-24-59.6 (1999).
By the way - I can't find any religious exemption in the Georgia statute. Can you? It is Ga. Code § 33-24-59.6 (1999).
So the defense of pro life will rest on this statement.
If a woman gets pregnant, what is she carrying?...A baby or a thing? Is a baby alive?
Do democrats run up to pregnant women and say
"You are not carrying a baby but a thing. So you can kill a thing in clear conscience
if you want, we defend that 'choice' as your right to murder by abortion"
Now, brith control is totally ok in my book because it stops it before it stats.
And yes Jerry..Democrats attack on religious views, and thier force feed viewpoints eerks enough people to call you guys rabid brown shirt nazis. Beating people down until they agree with your elitist views. You don't even care how others view things. Flipin nazis.
If a woman gets pregnant, what is she carrying?...A baby or a thing? Is a baby alive?
Do democrats run up to pregnant women and say
"You are not carrying a baby but a thing. So you can kill a thing in clear conscience
if you want, we defend that 'choice' as your right to murder by abortion"
Now, brith control is totally ok in my book because it stops it before it stats.
And yes Jerry..Democrats attack on religious views, and thier force feed viewpoints eerks enough people to call you guys rabid brown shirt nazis. Beating people down until they agree with your elitist views. You don't even care how others view things. Flipin nazis.
Are muslims exempt from obamacare ?
THANKS X, I'M TOUCHED;)
"Nazis"
"are muslims exempt?"
Really ugly stuff here.
"are muslims exempt?"
Really ugly stuff here.
So Mcdonalds can get an Obamacare waiver but the catholic church can't?
A simple question is ugly ? Here let me rephrase so as not to hurt your fragile sensibilities. "Are Amish exempt from Obamacare?"
(Wouldnt want to ever offend a muslim)
(Wouldnt want to ever offend a muslim)
"you know who didn't permit any religious exemption? Mitt Romney's Massachusetts"
Gong!!!!!!! Wrong!!!!
Romney veto the Emergency Contraception bill and the Democrats overrode it. So thanks for pointing out AGAIN that the Democrats don't like religious liberty.
Ga. Code § 33-24-59.6 does not require any organization to purchase insurance that covers contraceptives.
Gong!!!!!!! Wrong!!!!
Romney veto the Emergency Contraception bill and the Democrats overrode it. So thanks for pointing out AGAIN that the Democrats don't like religious liberty.
Ga. Code § 33-24-59.6 does not require any organization to purchase insurance that covers contraceptives.
OH JACK....GET YOURSELF TO THE DEUCE;)
U TOO HARRY AND BARRY;)
U TOO HARRY AND BARRY;)
Ya, sure, when it comes to America not getting a big mac because of Obamacare, Democrats fall over themselves giving out a waiver to Mcdonalds. But, when the Catholic church and their religious views have a first amendment issue with Obamacare, democrats spew elitist "do what we say" soup nazi talk. "No waiver for you!"
Will democrats just admit, they only agree with constitution when it fits their mood?
Will democrats just admit, they only agree with constitution when it fits their mood?
there is no "obamacare waiver" for McDonalds. None.
And the Catholic church is doesn't have to provide insurance for its employees that includes contraceptives.
So your rhetorical question is doubly misleading.
And the Catholic church is doesn't have to provide insurance for its employees that includes contraceptives.
So your rhetorical question is doubly misleading.
Associated Press:
"Mitt Romney faulted President Barack Obama's original push to require church-affiliated employers to pay for birth control as an "assault on religion," but as Massachusetts governor, Romney was largely silent about a state law that required virtually the same contraceptive coverage. The Massachusetts law, which essentially mirrored Obama's proposal, was signed by Romney's predecessor in 2002, the year before he took office. Romney did not seek its repeal. "
"Mitt Romney faulted President Barack Obama's original push to require church-affiliated employers to pay for birth control as an "assault on religion," but as Massachusetts governor, Romney was largely silent about a state law that required virtually the same contraceptive coverage. The Massachusetts law, which essentially mirrored Obama's proposal, was signed by Romney's predecessor in 2002, the year before he took office. Romney did not seek its repeal. "
The Wall Street Journal: Romney And Birth Control: A Shift
"Mitt Romney has said the Obama administration is intruding on religious freedom by moving to require religious–affiliated employers to cover contraception services in their health insurance plans. When confronted with a similar law as governor of Massachusetts, Mr. Romney didn't raise objections on religious or moral grounds, say people who worked in his administration or in health care interest groups there. Rather, he viewed the contraception requirement more in economic terms, as only one of many costly "mandates'' that some believed were driving up the price of insurance and suppressing competition, according to these people."
"Mitt Romney has said the Obama administration is intruding on religious freedom by moving to require religious–affiliated employers to cover contraception services in their health insurance plans. When confronted with a similar law as governor of Massachusetts, Mr. Romney didn't raise objections on religious or moral grounds, say people who worked in his administration or in health care interest groups there. Rather, he viewed the contraception requirement more in economic terms, as only one of many costly "mandates'' that some believed were driving up the price of insurance and suppressing competition, according to these people."
Boston Globe:
"Further confusing voters on his position, Romney said he supported the use of emergency contraception by rape victims. “My personal view, in my heart of hearts, is that people who are subject to rape should have the option of having emergency contraception or emergency contraception information,’’ he said. ...
"Further confusing voters on his position, Romney said he supported the use of emergency contraception by rape victims. “My personal view, in my heart of hearts, is that people who are subject to rape should have the option of having emergency contraception or emergency contraception information,’’ he said. ...
So petey puffer says "no businesses were allowed waivers from Obamacare. None." That is a big lie! Lot's of businesses were given waivers from Obamacare for various reasons.
Google it!
Google it!
I find particularly poignant this quote from the President of the Catholic Life League of Massachusetts:
“He is very consistent at working both sides of the street on the same issue at the same time. His record on this issue has been one of very cynical and tactical manipulation.’’
“He is very consistent at working both sides of the street on the same issue at the same time. His record on this issue has been one of very cynical and tactical manipulation.’’
The "waivers from Obamacare" were not waivers from Obamacare at all. Rather, they allowed a bunch of mostly fast food companies to delay for about 18 months the implemention of a requirement that ceertain "mini-med" policies raise their maximum coverage ceilings. That temporary measure was designed to avoid burdening certain types of businesses and to avoid gaps in coverage.
Delaying for 18 months implementation of specific rule applicable to a specific type of coverage is not as "waiver from Obamacare."
And, as I said, churches do not have to provide insurance to their employees that includes contraceptives.
Delaying for 18 months implementation of specific rule applicable to a specific type of coverage is not as "waiver from Obamacare."
And, as I said, churches do not have to provide insurance to their employees that includes contraceptives.
"to avoid burdening certain types of businesses"
except the Catholic Church and their stupid constitutional rights to freedom of religion.
Only if the churches just sold big macs!
except the Catholic Church and their stupid constitutional rights to freedom of religion.
Only if the churches just sold big macs!
let's try it again, this time slowly:
there is now, and never has been a requirement that a church purchase health insurance for its employees that includes coverage for contraceptives.
there is now, and never has been a requirement that a church purchase health insurance for its employees that includes coverage for contraceptives.
Good topic Sherman, lots of replies, although I have to say your 'replies' have been just embarrassing, you'd do better to not reply at all but other than that, I've read some interesting things here, just on this thread.
Nobody has rebutted pentenyc, at least successfully, so I guess we will wait until some conservative comes up with a better argument than 'if only churches sold big macs.'
Nobody has rebutted pentenyc, at least successfully, so I guess we will wait until some conservative comes up with a better argument than 'if only churches sold big macs.'
So we are really going to have a political debate about whether or not birth control should be available to ALL WOMEN? Really? The Republican Party is going to take the Rick Santorum position that birth control is damaging the family and is a sin?
It is really that simple; Should all women have access to FREE BIRTH CONTROL, or will President Rick Santorum try to deny women, and men, that option?
And yes, I said FREE, because most insurance companies will pay the full amount for birth control because they know it is one helluvu lot cheaper to pay for birth control than to pay for all of the repurcussions of people not using birth control.
This is not a 'religious freedom' argument fellow citizens, this is a poltical argument about whether or not people have the right to obtain free birth control, the key word here being "free." No co-pay's or deductibles, free. And it turns out birth control ain't cheap!!
It is really that simple; Should all women have access to FREE BIRTH CONTROL, or will President Rick Santorum try to deny women, and men, that option?
And yes, I said FREE, because most insurance companies will pay the full amount for birth control because they know it is one helluvu lot cheaper to pay for birth control than to pay for all of the repurcussions of people not using birth control.
This is not a 'religious freedom' argument fellow citizens, this is a poltical argument about whether or not people have the right to obtain free birth control, the key word here being "free." No co-pay's or deductibles, free. And it turns out birth control ain't cheap!!
Athos, you have to realize some day that providing things "free" to Americans can be a very good thing.
For example, when Aetna, or United Health, or any one of the giant insurance companies decide that paying 100 percent of the cost of birth control is cheaper and smarter than not doing so, thus making it "free" to the people being insured, this is a good thing for the insurance companies and for the people they insure. They all save money, how can that not be a good thing?
For example, when Aetna, or United Health, or any one of the giant insurance companies decide that paying 100 percent of the cost of birth control is cheaper and smarter than not doing so, thus making it "free" to the people being insured, this is a good thing for the insurance companies and for the people they insure. They all save money, how can that not be a good thing?
And we are supposed to believe yeager. Ya right. This is about democrats making others do as they say, without caring what others think or feel. Catholics are being called child rapists to promote the democrat agenda of religious oppression. Just remember that.
Sherm's blogs are both abortions and abominations. Everyone please google "Shermocare"
that "religious oppression" that the putative Republican nominee enforced without a peep of complaint while he was Governor of Massachusetts.
petey, that's why true conservatives don't want Mittens. He's not a conservative, he's one of your politicians.
Yeager, there is no Free. Someone always pays. I don't want it to be me, or my kids. We'll pay for our own, thank you. (Davie-boy, you're cy-wars won't work this time, around. How do you sleep with yourself?)
Fooltool (btdt), Warren Harding did a brilliant job cutting spending during a terrible recession, and turned our economy around in 18 months. Jorge and Ø have simply bailed out there buds, with Ø propping up his voting base with taxpayer money. Someone's got to pay. The entire corrupt crony payola has got to stop.
Socialism won't work, children. Never has, and never will. Your way puts us in chains. Why don't just one of you tell us why you persist in this foolishness?
Yeager, there is no Free. Someone always pays. I don't want it to be me, or my kids. We'll pay for our own, thank you. (Davie-boy, you're cy-wars won't work this time, around. How do you sleep with yourself?)
Fooltool (btdt), Warren Harding did a brilliant job cutting spending during a terrible recession, and turned our economy around in 18 months. Jorge and Ø have simply bailed out there buds, with Ø propping up his voting base with taxpayer money. Someone's got to pay. The entire corrupt crony payola has got to stop.
Socialism won't work, children. Never has, and never will. Your way puts us in chains. Why don't just one of you tell us why you persist in this foolishness?
But on a brighter note, it should get real interesting when gas prices shoot up this summer.
Let's see, Ø shut down drilling in the gulf, the Keystone pipeline, is quoted as wanting higher energy prices, gives tax breaks to millionaires buying Chevy Volts, and so on, and so on, and scuby dooby dooby.
How you fellas gonna spin that one, eh?
petey will say, "It's a lie! Gas prices have NOT risen! Prove it!"
Jerry will say, "It's Bush's fault!"
Fooltool (btdt) will say, "First you spend more at the pump which gives government more revenue to distribute into the economy so everything will improve! Don't you republican idiots know basic economy?"
Yeager will post what ever Plouffe tells him to post (cause he lives in West Virginia near Langley) but by then, Davie-boy will be in Betty Ford Rehab!
Jack Sprat will say, "I hate gasoline. I hate cars. I hate haters!"
And mrs. ed will say, "Good night, Wi-i-i-i-i-ilber."
Let's see, Ø shut down drilling in the gulf, the Keystone pipeline, is quoted as wanting higher energy prices, gives tax breaks to millionaires buying Chevy Volts, and so on, and so on, and scuby dooby dooby.
How you fellas gonna spin that one, eh?
petey will say, "It's a lie! Gas prices have NOT risen! Prove it!"
Jerry will say, "It's Bush's fault!"
Fooltool (btdt) will say, "First you spend more at the pump which gives government more revenue to distribute into the economy so everything will improve! Don't you republican idiots know basic economy?"
Yeager will post what ever Plouffe tells him to post (cause he lives in West Virginia near Langley) but by then, Davie-boy will be in Betty Ford Rehab!
Jack Sprat will say, "I hate gasoline. I hate cars. I hate haters!"
And mrs. ed will say, "Good night, Wi-i-i-i-i-ilber."
State workers notice the cost of health insurance has triples in last 3 years. Thanks Obama for destroying the middle class!
"Deeeep Thoughts", What is the natural rate of abortion and the death of mothers at birth? Look it up and ask yourself if your mythological creator is a serial murderer.
In GA, a church or a religious objecting organization can purchase insurance or offer self-insurance that does not have contraceptives.
Hey, Athos if it is Romney vs. Obama in Nov 2013.
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
Hey, Athos if it is Romney vs. Obama in Nov 2013.
What are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
"that "religious oppression" that the putative Republican nominee enforced without a peep of complaint while he was Governor of Massachusetts"
The churches complained a lot about the bill that Romney veto and that the oppressive Religious Democrats overrode.
But they were pleased that Romney's admin created a loophole where they did not have to give emergency abortion pills to women who were pregnant.
The churches complained a lot about the bill that Romney veto and that the oppressive Religious Democrats overrode.
But they were pleased that Romney's admin created a loophole where they did not have to give emergency abortion pills to women who were pregnant.
just contraceptives and plan B pills.
A shocking violation of religious liberty, if you ask me.
A shocking violation of religious liberty, if you ask me.
Most insurance plans that offer prescription coverage include bc pills anyway.
What will I do if Mittens is the R candidate against Ø?
Too early to think about that, Sarge.
Too early to think about that, Sarge.
Obama worse than Hitler?.......Hitler was one of the three worst evils of the 20th Century, surpassed only by those heroes of the Internatioanl Left, Stalin and Mao. Hitler killed 12MM in the Holocaust (6MM Jews and 6MM politically incorrect), and another 30MM in WW2. Stalin killed 30MM of his own people in the purges and forced Ukraine famine, and another 20MM fighting his former ally, Hitler. Mao killed 80MM of his people. …but NONE of these men so ably and quickly began to destroy America as has Barack Obama - the greatest enemy America has ever faced. And one our military seems unwilling an uninterested in fighting - turning their collective back on the ONLY Constitutional duty they have - protecting our Constitution. It is time - past time, really - to realize that Obama / Pelosi / Reid / Rangle / Schumer / Dodd / Frank… are greater enemies of America, our Constitution, the Rule of Law and to our future than were Hitler or Imperial Japan… Go RON PAUL!!!!
Obama is not worst than Hilter or even close to being Hilter.
However, bar none, he is the most anti-business president we ever had.
However, bar none, he is the most anti-business president we ever had.
Athos, let's put aside whether birth control should be "free" to all women or not, Rick Santorum believe birth control should not even be available to all women.
But you are OK with that?
But you are OK with that?
My second posts never appear so I can say anything I want, so here goes.....just imagine what kind of a country this might be if abortion was not a poltical issue, at all? Just imagine abortion being a private issue, or even a private religious issue but not in any way an issue that is debated in a public forum, a political issue. Why is abortion a political issue? I guess I don't understand that?
Every politican in Congress, every person here would support their daughter if she was raped, impregnated and wanted to abort the pregnancy. Every single one of you. Yet Rick Santorum says this is really some sort of 'gift' and not a one of you says a word. Hypocrites, and your hypocrisy effects real women's lives.
Every politican in Congress, every person here would support their daughter if she was raped, impregnated and wanted to abort the pregnancy. Every single one of you. Yet Rick Santorum says this is really some sort of 'gift' and not a one of you says a word. Hypocrites, and your hypocrisy effects real women's lives.
Yeager, let's put aside whether or not you'd get caught, are you OK with robbing a bank? Or breaking into your neighbor's house and stealing from him?
Cause most liberals. here, have no problem wanting the government to take the money I earn and give it to whom ever benefits them the most (be it votes or kickbacks).
Cause most liberals. here, have no problem wanting the government to take the money I earn and give it to whom ever benefits them the most (be it votes or kickbacks).
I see that not one single right winger will admit the economy is improving.
The economy is improving at a snails pace.
Obama's WH said the "stimulus" would bring unemployment down below 7% by now.
Obama promised to cut the annual deficit in half. It has instead grown.
He said four years ago if he can't get the job done in 3 years that he should be fired.
We should do that.
Obama's WH said the "stimulus" would bring unemployment down below 7% by now.
Obama promised to cut the annual deficit in half. It has instead grown.
He said four years ago if he can't get the job done in 3 years that he should be fired.
We should do that.
Jerry, have you not heard of Quantitative Easing? Do you have any idea how much money the Fed has flooded into the system to prop up EVERYTHING? Do you think that has NOTHING to do with the "dead cat bounce" of our economy improving?
Actually, NO ONE knows how much money Bernanke has flooded into the system, cause NO ONE is auditing the Fed. But the National debt is climbing higher exponentially and when interest rates go up, so does the debt service payment.
All Ø cares about is getting 4 more years to "fundamentally transform" this country into a socialist paradise. Except there IS NO SUCH THING as a socialist paradise.
You do understand that, don't you, Jerry? If I borrowed $1,000,000, I could quit my job, buy a fancy car, throw outlandish parties and have a dramatic improvement on my lifestyle, right?
That is, until the lenders wanted their money back.
Get it?
Actually, NO ONE knows how much money Bernanke has flooded into the system, cause NO ONE is auditing the Fed. But the National debt is climbing higher exponentially and when interest rates go up, so does the debt service payment.
All Ø cares about is getting 4 more years to "fundamentally transform" this country into a socialist paradise. Except there IS NO SUCH THING as a socialist paradise.
You do understand that, don't you, Jerry? If I borrowed $1,000,000, I could quit my job, buy a fancy car, throw outlandish parties and have a dramatic improvement on my lifestyle, right?
That is, until the lenders wanted their money back.
Get it?
One person finally admits it? Where is Sherman? Even John Boehner has, reluctantly, finally admitted it: "The economy is slowly improving, but….." You can do it, Sherman. Post it here. Answer the challenge. Reply for a change. Admit the economy is improving. Just once, in one of your blogs.
What a miserable life you must live, Jerry, if a confirmation of your delusional opinion is what drives you.
Oh. I forgot you're a liberal.
Carry on.
Oh. I forgot you're a liberal.
Carry on.
Thank God the President is leading on this issue. No one, including Frederick-the-former-publisher, in the Republican party cares about how the cost of medcal expenses are burying the working class of this country. If Republicans would stop playing politics with this issue, including Santorum and his pledge to end birth control for all American women, they might learn that there are other people in this country that do not want health care used ot take away their rights.
William Hilton, why do you feel I have to pay for YOUR health care?
and
What possible action can you sight that gives you confidence that current government involvement isn't driving up health care costs, now?
and
What possible action can you sight that gives you confidence that current government involvement isn't driving up health care costs, now?
Sherm, it is unfortunate that some people support what the feds are doing to our nation. I blame it on the colleges who corrupt our youngins' with their liberal views. They did it to my son and one of his high school buddies who thinks this issue on the insurance and the church is just the feds protecting the populace from discrimination. Shame on the professors. God help us now. Only he can I believe. ( A former R-J employee and friend of Dave Osborn)
Well said, Robert. We've been asleep when it comes to the halls of higher learning. AND the cost has escalated into a nightmare.
Reminds me of paying someone to beat you up. (Dirty Harry movie #1)
Reminds me of paying someone to beat you up. (Dirty Harry movie #1)
Robert.Bostick, you must be kidding. Really.
Athos, and others, STOP pretending you, or me, have control over where our tax dollars go. I don't like paying for George W Bush's war in Iraq but that is what happens when you pay taxes. So I don't care that YOU don't want to pay for free contraceptives, it is cheaper and better for women for insurance companies to provide birth control with no co-pay, so because it is better for women, I am all for it and I also could care less what you don't want to see your tax dollars paying for.
Athos, and others, STOP pretending you, or me, have control over where our tax dollars go. I don't like paying for George W Bush's war in Iraq but that is what happens when you pay taxes. So I don't care that YOU don't want to pay for free contraceptives, it is cheaper and better for women for insurance companies to provide birth control with no co-pay, so because it is better for women, I am all for it and I also could care less what you don't want to see your tax dollars paying for.
And I noticed, not a single person not just here, but anywhere can refute, rebut or deny the fact that "ObamaCare" was passed into law, much like "Hillary Care" was proposed almost 20 years ago, (proving what visionaries Bill and Hillary Clinton were and still are), because of what I have already said, WE ARE GETTING LOOTED AND RIPPED-OFF PEOPLE when it comes to what we pay for health care. How come that doesn't seem to bother anybody?
Someobody wrote something about 'burglarizing your home,' this is the same thing, we are being stolen from. The average Joe is being ripped-off and a select few are making millions because of the idiotic way we decide to make available good health care insurance in the richest country in the history of the world.
Someobody wrote something about 'burglarizing your home,' this is the same thing, we are being stolen from. The average Joe is being ripped-off and a select few are making millions because of the idiotic way we decide to make available good health care insurance in the richest country in the history of the world.
Yeager, how are the boys at the Plouffe boy war room? You socialist plant, you!
We have no control over where our tax dollars are spent? Why do you think Republicans have wanted to send DC LESS MONEY?
You idiots keep talking about free rides the rich get. It doesn't matter how much money we send DC, they'll still spend 40% more than they get!
And it would be nice if we enforced laws when these crooks steal our money. Oh wait, they're the same bunch that write the laws, aren't they?
There IS no free, Yeager. Someone pays. That's the difference between inalienable rights, and entitlements. We need to protect the former and reduce the latter.
Silly subversive!
We have no control over where our tax dollars are spent? Why do you think Republicans have wanted to send DC LESS MONEY?
You idiots keep talking about free rides the rich get. It doesn't matter how much money we send DC, they'll still spend 40% more than they get!
And it would be nice if we enforced laws when these crooks steal our money. Oh wait, they're the same bunch that write the laws, aren't they?
There IS no free, Yeager. Someone pays. That's the difference between inalienable rights, and entitlements. We need to protect the former and reduce the latter.
Silly subversive!
Still nobody wanting to admit the economy is improving? Still nobody wanting to admit that President Obama's Healthcare reform has saves us money? (Lowest increase of healthcare costs in the last 10-years)? Hello? Anybody?
Still nobody wanting to admit the economy is improving? Still nobody wanting to admit that President Obama's Healthcare reform has saves us money? (Lowest increase of healthcare costs in the last 10-years)? Hello?
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