Obamacare's big abortion problem
I warned you last month that consequences were a-comin' for Obamacare supporters, especially Catholics and Mormons who uphold the "life is absolutely sacred" principle in lawmaking. We are all about to pay for abortions in this country and that is going to produce a moral dilemma like many have never faced before.
Now comes U.S. Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper, D-Pennsylvania who says that had she known the federal government was going to force everyone to pay for abortions through Obamacare, she'd never have voted for it.
How nice. Only hitch in that lame story is that the consequences of Obamacare were well speculated about before the vote. Yet, Kathy and other elected officials such as Sen. Harry Reid (a Mormon from Nevada) looked the other way and put petty party politics over good, careful lawmaking ... and religious conviction.
Now look what we have inherited — a health care law that not only puts people in a moral bind, but also hurts more than it helps when it comes to health care in America. Maybe Nancy Pelosi (another "good" Catholic) was right: We had to pass the law to see what was in the law. Well, now that we can see what the bill is, what are going to do about it? I'm talkin' to you, Nancy, Harry and Kathy.
P.S.: I am no expert on the Mormon faith, but I believe that anyone who knowingly helps someone have an abortion is eligible for excommunication. Am I right on that point?
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Just because you don't approve of something doesn't mean it can't be paid for with tax dollars. I got no problem with tax dollars paying for abortions. The U.S.A. is NOT run by the catholic church.
This is a lie, plain and simple.
The Health Reform Act prohibits health reform funds from being spent on abortion. (section 1104(c)) It specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) in the health insurance exchanges. It also imposes strict payment and accounting requirements to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services in exchange plans (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) and requires state health insurance commissioners to ensure that exchange plan funds are segregated by insurance companies.
President Obama's Executive Order 13535 directed the creation of guidelines for ensuring that no federal funds would be used for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother.
When Sherman Frederick writes "[w]e are all about to pay for abortions in this country" he is lying.
The Health Reform Act prohibits health reform funds from being spent on abortion. (section 1104(c)) It specifically prohibits the use of tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments to pay for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) in the health insurance exchanges. It also imposes strict payment and accounting requirements to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services in exchange plans (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered) and requires state health insurance commissioners to ensure that exchange plan funds are segregated by insurance companies.
President Obama's Executive Order 13535 directed the creation of guidelines for ensuring that no federal funds would be used for abortions except in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother.
When Sherman Frederick writes "[w]e are all about to pay for abortions in this country" he is lying.
Are you reading the news of current events, or just the bumper stickers on your car, petenyc? Through Obamacare and new HHS regs, we're all going to paying for abortion. May not fit into a bumpersticker, but it's what's happening.
Wow. Same old liberal response. petey, how much is Plouffe paying you, cause NO ONE could be this dedicated to spin, for free!
Mr. Frederick:
1. You are lying. I have cited specific statutory provisions and executive orders that provide that no funds under the Affordable Care Act will be used to pay for abortions. Your contention that "[w]e are all about to pay for abortions in this country" is a lie.
2. I could be charitable and conclude that, rather than lying intentionally, you are simply engaging, once again, in incredibly sloppy cut'n'paste-style journalism. The article you cite deals with a new regulation that provides that insurance plans (except those which cover church organizations whose employees are mainly members of the church) must provide coverage for womens' contraception. One form of contraception is the morning-after pill, which some people believe acts as a contragestive as well as a contraceptive.
I am pleased that health insurance plans will be be required by offer such coverage (except for church groups). But that isn't the point. The regulation has nothing whatsoever to do with using taxpayer funds. It merely regulates what health insurers can and cannot offer. Your contention that a requirement that a private insurance plan offer contraceptive coverage, including "plan B" contraceptives amounts to making us "all pay for abortions in this country" is a lie, plain and simple.
1. You are lying. I have cited specific statutory provisions and executive orders that provide that no funds under the Affordable Care Act will be used to pay for abortions. Your contention that "[w]e are all about to pay for abortions in this country" is a lie.
2. I could be charitable and conclude that, rather than lying intentionally, you are simply engaging, once again, in incredibly sloppy cut'n'paste-style journalism. The article you cite deals with a new regulation that provides that insurance plans (except those which cover church organizations whose employees are mainly members of the church) must provide coverage for womens' contraception. One form of contraception is the morning-after pill, which some people believe acts as a contragestive as well as a contraceptive.
I am pleased that health insurance plans will be be required by offer such coverage (except for church groups). But that isn't the point. The regulation has nothing whatsoever to do with using taxpayer funds. It merely regulates what health insurers can and cannot offer. Your contention that a requirement that a private insurance plan offer contraceptive coverage, including "plan B" contraceptives amounts to making us "all pay for abortions in this country" is a lie, plain and simple.
Mr. Frederick:
1. You are lying. I have cited specific statutory provisions and executive orders that provide that no funds under the Affordable Care Act will be used to pay for abortions. Your contention that "[w]e are all about to pay for abortions in this country" is a lie.
2. I could be charitable and conclude that, rather than lying intentionally, you are simply engaging, once again, in incredibly sloppy cut'n'paste-style journalism. The article you cite deals with a new regulation that provides that insurance plans (except those which cover church organizations whose employees are mainly members of the church) must provide coverage for womens' contraception. One form of contraception is the morning-after pill, which some people believe acts as a contragestive as well as a contraceptive.
I am pleased that health insurance plans will be be required by offer such coverage (except for church groups). But that isn't the point. The regulation has nothing whatsoever to do with using taxpayer funds. It merely regulates what health insurers can and cannot offer. Your contention that a requirement that a private insurance plan offer contraceptive coverage, including "plan B" contraceptives amounts to making us "all pay for abortions in this country" is a lie, plain and simple.
1. You are lying. I have cited specific statutory provisions and executive orders that provide that no funds under the Affordable Care Act will be used to pay for abortions. Your contention that "[w]e are all about to pay for abortions in this country" is a lie.
2. I could be charitable and conclude that, rather than lying intentionally, you are simply engaging, once again, in incredibly sloppy cut'n'paste-style journalism. The article you cite deals with a new regulation that provides that insurance plans (except those which cover church organizations whose employees are mainly members of the church) must provide coverage for womens' contraception. One form of contraception is the morning-after pill, which some people believe acts as a contragestive as well as a contraceptive.
I am pleased that health insurance plans will be be required by offer such coverage (except for church groups). But that isn't the point. The regulation has nothing whatsoever to do with using taxpayer funds. It merely regulates what health insurers can and cannot offer. Your contention that a requirement that a private insurance plan offer contraceptive coverage, including "plan B" contraceptives amounts to making us "all pay for abortions in this country" is a lie, plain and simple.
Stunning denial.
That's all you got?
Typical hyperbolic and hysterical blowhards. 28 state have birth control mandate. Massachusetts has a birth control mandate and Mandate Mitt did not move to stop it as governor (included in Romney care as well). 90% of Catholics use birth control (except for Priests having sex with little boys). A hospital is a business, not a church. The Catholic Church has owned Bra factories etc. They have no right to impose their views on normal people who happened to be employees. Additionally, the Catholic Church was against the Iraq War and the death penalty. You didn't see all the Bible thumpers get their panties in a bunch of Bush and those policies. It is just when sex is involved that the get agitated. If you control a person's sex life, you control the person, that's why the Catholic and Mormon Church are hyper focused on sex.
petey, what planet do you live on? There is absolutely NO news you can watch or read, that isn't addressing this very subject of ØbamaCare paying for abortions.
And yet you persist?
Once again, how much is Davie boy Plouffe PAYING YOU to spin your drivel?
And at what point, do you any reasonable person will just tune you out?
And then, the question is, why would you continue to post?
And yet you persist?
Once again, how much is Davie boy Plouffe PAYING YOU to spin your drivel?
And at what point, do you any reasonable person will just tune you out?
And then, the question is, why would you continue to post?
Athos - you seem unable to distinguish between a rule that health insurance plans companies must provide certain forms of health coverage, including contraceptives, and a provision that taxpayer funds be used to pay for abortions.
To a certain extent I feel great sympathy for you.
To a certain extent I feel great sympathy for you.
Petenyc. You are saying this is an unfunded mandate on private insurers. What if a non religious person wants insurance that does not cover abortions or contraceptives? Why would this person be required to buy insurance that does these things? A dollar in my left pocket is the same as the dollar in my right poscket. The government requiring my use of the dollar in my left pocket is the same as requiring I use the one in my right pocket.
You don't get it, by using the federal funds for other proceedures then requiring these proceedures in addition is nothing other than using the power of federal law to coerce people who may or may not support this politically charged issue, to support it no matter what they personally believe. It forces these people to join those specific groups mentioned in order to live their lives as they choose. These groups may and probably do require other things of their members that quite a few of these people do not also support. Personal freedom in this area is as important to you liberals as it is to us conservatives. I do not impose my personal opinion on abortion on you (I actually support it, always have. A couples right to choose is their own not the states.)You simply need to pay for your own proceedure and stop picking my pockets for it. I have no troubles insuring for accidents and illness but pregnancy is neither of these things, every one has a choice to have sex or not to have sex. It really is that simple.
You don't get it, by using the federal funds for other proceedures then requiring these proceedures in addition is nothing other than using the power of federal law to coerce people who may or may not support this politically charged issue, to support it no matter what they personally believe. It forces these people to join those specific groups mentioned in order to live their lives as they choose. These groups may and probably do require other things of their members that quite a few of these people do not also support. Personal freedom in this area is as important to you liberals as it is to us conservatives. I do not impose my personal opinion on abortion on you (I actually support it, always have. A couples right to choose is their own not the states.)You simply need to pay for your own proceedure and stop picking my pockets for it. I have no troubles insuring for accidents and illness but pregnancy is neither of these things, every one has a choice to have sex or not to have sex. It really is that simple.
You are quite wrong in suggesting that a woman's access to contraceptives is not a health issue.
For Shermy, http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm Not that HE will read and understand the implications for their belief in an invisible guy with a beard. "Causes
Most miscarriages are caused by chromosome problems that make it impossible for the baby to develop. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother or father's genes.
Other possible causes for miscarriage include:
Drug and alcohol abuse
Exposure to environmental toxins
Hormone problems
Infection
Obesity
Physical problems with the mother's reproductive organs
Problem with the body's immune response
Serious body-wide ( systemic) diseases in the mother (such as uncontrolled diabetes)
Smoking
It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby's heart beat is detected.
The risk for miscarriage is higher in women:
Older age, with increases beginning by 30, becoming greater between 35 and 40, and highest after 40
Who have had previous miscarriages"
Most miscarriages are caused by chromosome problems that make it impossible for the baby to develop. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother or father's genes.
Other possible causes for miscarriage include:
Drug and alcohol abuse
Exposure to environmental toxins
Hormone problems
Infection
Obesity
Physical problems with the mother's reproductive organs
Problem with the body's immune response
Serious body-wide ( systemic) diseases in the mother (such as uncontrolled diabetes)
Smoking
It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy. The rate of miscarriage drops after the baby's heart beat is detected.
The risk for miscarriage is higher in women:
Older age, with increases beginning by 30, becoming greater between 35 and 40, and highest after 40
Who have had previous miscarriages"
So Shermy, When are you going to be praying for your mythological christian god to stop performing abortions?
And therein lies the deception, petey. No one is saying it isn't a health issue. I'm not willing to pay it. Let her pay for her OWN contraceptives.
Why is that so hard for liberals to comprehend? Personal freedom depends on personal responsibility. I don't want the state to tell me what I must do, as if some bureaucrat (or Michele Ø) can plan my life better than I.
There IS a huge cross section of people in this country that NEED some one else telling them what to eat, what to wear, how to act and what to do. They're called children. And in MY house, I'm the one this job falls on (it's called parenthood, petey).
Otherwise, if you want the government to dictate the actions of your life (and I don't know anyone that does.... they just want the government to pay for their mistakes, and take care of them!) this is called tyranny. And we fought that battle 236 years ago.
Why is that so hard for liberals to comprehend? Personal freedom depends on personal responsibility. I don't want the state to tell me what I must do, as if some bureaucrat (or Michele Ø) can plan my life better than I.
There IS a huge cross section of people in this country that NEED some one else telling them what to eat, what to wear, how to act and what to do. They're called children. And in MY house, I'm the one this job falls on (it's called parenthood, petey).
Otherwise, if you want the government to dictate the actions of your life (and I don't know anyone that does.... they just want the government to pay for their mistakes, and take care of them!) this is called tyranny. And we fought that battle 236 years ago.
Wow, Mark. Did you lose a child through miscarriage, and that's why you're so ticked off about God?
Much of what one needs to know about the modern conservative movement can be found in Athos' suggestion that women who need access to contraception are lacking in "personal responsibility."
petey, I want front row seats to Saturday's UNLV/SDS basketball game, and I want YOU to pay for them.
You're OK with that, right?
Just have the tickets at will call, and I'll pick them up.
You're OK with that, right?
Just have the tickets at will call, and I'll pick them up.
Get me the seats next to Tark.
So PeteNYC, do you believe that the Democrat Congress Lady Kathy Dahlkemper from PA is a liar too?
How did you get that way, MSchaffer? I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard this, but you need some professional help.
SgtRock: PeteNYC is simply wrong about how those sensitive to protecting life are correctly taking the Obamacare rules.
In high school a friend was inflicted with gonorrhea. She and I went on a couple dates. She did not go farther than light fondling.
Years later we both found ourselves in the service at the same base. We went on a couple dates and this time we slept together. When discussing our earlier days together she told about her STD from then and was clear she did not want to spread it and she learned a lot from it.
So did I.
It is a choice, it can result in illness. If a bad choice results in illness I stand by my post, I do insure for that. I do not wish to use insurance in an attempt to make these choices a non issue and use my experience and resulting money to NOT LEARN as I (and she) did. I know she is a good person and is today ok. She learned personal resposibilty through her own mistakes. I learned from her mistake. I am very correct, access to contraceptives on my dollar is not a health issue it is a learning and choice issue. Results from the choice? Those can be a health issue and are insured, on the other hand these results can be a great learning experience.
Of course in this everyone wins soccer mom world, you will take your trophy and make me pay for it.
Years later we both found ourselves in the service at the same base. We went on a couple dates and this time we slept together. When discussing our earlier days together she told about her STD from then and was clear she did not want to spread it and she learned a lot from it.
So did I.
It is a choice, it can result in illness. If a bad choice results in illness I stand by my post, I do insure for that. I do not wish to use insurance in an attempt to make these choices a non issue and use my experience and resulting money to NOT LEARN as I (and she) did. I know she is a good person and is today ok. She learned personal resposibilty through her own mistakes. I learned from her mistake. I am very correct, access to contraceptives on my dollar is not a health issue it is a learning and choice issue. Results from the choice? Those can be a health issue and are insured, on the other hand these results can be a great learning experience.
Of course in this everyone wins soccer mom world, you will take your trophy and make me pay for it.
to "sgt. rock": former Congresswoman Dahlkemper, did not say that the "federal government is going to force everyone to pay for abortions." Instead, she complained that secular institutions operated by Catholic orders would have to offer insurance policies to their employees, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, that included coverage for contraceptives. Her objections are not well-founded, but they are not mendacious lies like Sherman Frederick's claim that "we are all going to be paying for abortion" and "and that is going to produce a moral dilemma like many have never faced before."
Nor did she indulge in the disgusting suggestion that her political opponents should be excommunicated -- a claim as bad as Mr. Frederick's infamous statement that Senator Reid suffered from dementia.
Nor did she indulge in the disgusting suggestion that her political opponents should be excommunicated -- a claim as bad as Mr. Frederick's infamous statement that Senator Reid suffered from dementia.
petey, how's my tickets for Saturday's big game coming along?
I told my son and he's sooooo looking forward to go to the game, and sitting next to Tark!
Don't let us down, petey!
I told my son and he's sooooo looking forward to go to the game, and sitting next to Tark!
Don't let us down, petey!
How many Catholics here? How many of us follow or agree with our church on the issue of contraception? Any of us?
This is a non-issue, affecting about one-tenth of one percent of real people who will be affected by real Repubublican policies like the Bush tax cuts, for example. Republican policies which have helped create the reportedly largest income gap between rich and poor since the 1920's.
This is a non-issue, affecting about one-tenth of one percent of real people who will be affected by real Repubublican policies like the Bush tax cuts, for example. Republican policies which have helped create the reportedly largest income gap between rich and poor since the 1920's.
Also, Gingrich get his money from a casino owner who makes 80% of his money in China controlled Macao. Romney has income from Sports Authority ans Staples who market mostly Chinese made products. What king of abortion policy does China have? So if you really hate abortion Mitt and Newt, cut your ties to the China money.
Are you a practicing Catholic, Yeager?
There is a very real war going on RIGHT NOW, for the soul of the Republican party. Tonight's 3 races perfectly highlight what this war is about, doesn't it? There is a large percentage of us (and in this case, I am one of the "us"s) that will no longer accept a RINO as the standard bearer for my party. (and you know who you are, Mittens!)
Where is the dissension in the Democrat party? Are we being told that ALL the Catholic Democrats are perfectly OK with this new faucet of ØbamaCare?
Is this the "hope and change" that all Democrats are supporting?
There's not one of you that says "wait just a dog gone minute here"?
If so, who's the party of "mind numb robots", now?
Where is the dissension in the Democrat party? Are we being told that ALL the Catholic Democrats are perfectly OK with this new faucet of ØbamaCare?
Is this the "hope and change" that all Democrats are supporting?
There's not one of you that says "wait just a dog gone minute here"?
If so, who's the party of "mind numb robots", now?
And in the case of the talking horse's wife, how does it feel to be a member of the party that has no morals?
As a liberal, I must reluctantly give credit to Mitt Romney for his role in 2005 in forcing Catholic hospitals to offer abortifacients to sexual assault victims.
Of course, he takes a different position today, but, at least in this instance, actions speak louder than words.
Of course, he takes a different position today, but, at least in this instance, actions speak louder than words.
Get use to the half-truths half-lies by the libs.
And if you are if you are a gullible person then you might be suck into their deceit.
Romney actually vetoed a bill that would have forced Catholic hospitals to offer abortifacients to sexual assault victims.
The Democratic control legislative branch overrode his veto and therefore his administration was forced to generate a regulation.
They wrote the regulation as loose as they could without violating the law and it had a ton of loopholes in it to help the church ran hospitals.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290073/mitt-romney-defended-rights-conscience-massachusetts-david-french
Here is also good information on the topic:
http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2012/02/mitt-romney-conscience-and-the-boston-globes-mistakes.html
See that is so hard....the truth can set you free.
So beware of libs and the lame media bearing gifts and treasure....they will hang you with it.
It is similar to his post about Romney attending Planned Parenthood Fundraisers which meant he will to many of them.
Romney attend one fundraiser in his local community some 20 years ago that was in somebody house.
See how they twist the truth to trick you.
Don't listen to libs or the lame media. You should have learned your lesson by now.
And if you are if you are a gullible person then you might be suck into their deceit.
Romney actually vetoed a bill that would have forced Catholic hospitals to offer abortifacients to sexual assault victims.
The Democratic control legislative branch overrode his veto and therefore his administration was forced to generate a regulation.
They wrote the regulation as loose as they could without violating the law and it had a ton of loopholes in it to help the church ran hospitals.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290073/mitt-romney-defended-rights-conscience-massachusetts-david-french
Here is also good information on the topic:
http://mirrorofjustice.blogs.com/mirrorofjustice/2012/02/mitt-romney-conscience-and-the-boston-globes-mistakes.html
See that is so hard....the truth can set you free.
So beware of libs and the lame media bearing gifts and treasure....they will hang you with it.
It is similar to his post about Romney attending Planned Parenthood Fundraisers which meant he will to many of them.
Romney attend one fundraiser in his local community some 20 years ago that was in somebody house.
See how they twist the truth to trick you.
Don't listen to libs or the lame media. You should have learned your lesson by now.
Some years ago I had a friend who contracted and eventually died from hepatitis c. Both he and his wife (who is still a friend) were very clear that he had probably contracted it from his days as a recreational iv drug user in his youth. But he was able to afford private health insurance, which still involves taking other peoples' money to "dilute risk", so to speak. What about YOUR 20 year old son having to pay inflated auto insurance premiums, because of OTHER 20 year old males' stupid mistakes? And EVERY responsible young woman, or responsible mother of young women that I have known, understands that paying for birth control is NOT a choice. That they NEED to be on birth control because the decision whether or not to have sex is not ENTIRELY within their control. To make young women entirely responsible for preventing date rape, for example, is both cruel and unfair. So yes, I agree in principle that we should not be expected to pay for the consequences of other peoples' freely made decisions. But to be honest, it isn't always as simple as you-either-chose-to-do-it-or-you-didn't, and the government isn't the ONLY entity in the universe that forces people to pay for things they don't want to buy.
If you are a hispanic voter then I don't see how you can vote for Obama.
What has Obama done for you?
He has given you scraps off the table. He must think you are cheap votes.
The Democrats had full control of the legislative process for a year with 60 votes in the Senate to count on, a majority in the House and Obama in the WH.
Did they help hispanics during that time?
NOPE
They focused on a lame "stimulus" bill and ObamaCare.
They choosed a major power grab of health care over hispanics.
Bush tried to pass immigration reform. Who was a key person who worked extremely hard to defeat that? Obama did. He worked very hard to defeat immigration reform.
Why? Because Democrats don't really want immigration reform because they want to use that to hang that in front of hispanic noses forever.
Don't be chumps.
What has Obama done for you?
He has given you scraps off the table. He must think you are cheap votes.
The Democrats had full control of the legislative process for a year with 60 votes in the Senate to count on, a majority in the House and Obama in the WH.
Did they help hispanics during that time?
NOPE
They focused on a lame "stimulus" bill and ObamaCare.
They choosed a major power grab of health care over hispanics.
Bush tried to pass immigration reform. Who was a key person who worked extremely hard to defeat that? Obama did. He worked very hard to defeat immigration reform.
Why? Because Democrats don't really want immigration reform because they want to use that to hang that in front of hispanic noses forever.
Don't be chumps.
You religious nuts are going to have to get over the fact that you're a part of America's society. To pretend that people should not have to pay for that part of our society they don't like, is the same as those that said they don't want their tax dollars going to fight a war; or any other ridiculous selection. And if one of those religious nuts that believe a god doesn't want a person to be operated on, makes the same claim; that they shouldn't have to pay for another person's appendix operation; you're just going to have to live with it. You're a nut and the Republican Party has been feeding you more cool aid in order to get them elected to control you even further.
If you don't like that insurance is paying for a woman to take birth control pills because a doctor told her a pregnancy would kill her; you're just going to have to run around and yell at all women that you are their religious leader; that you know what's better for them they day do, and to "STOP TAKING BIRTH CONTROL PILLS." Don’t blame the insurance companies or our society. Being religious and Republicans is hazardous to the rest of us in our society.
If you don't like that insurance is paying for a woman to take birth control pills because a doctor told her a pregnancy would kill her; you're just going to have to run around and yell at all women that you are their religious leader; that you know what's better for them they day do, and to "STOP TAKING BIRTH CONTROL PILLS." Don’t blame the insurance companies or our society. Being religious and Republicans is hazardous to the rest of us in our society.
Sgt. Rock is not being fair to Mitt Romney's courageous action requiring Catholic hospitals to dispense abortifacients to sexual assault victims. Right-to-life leaders in Massachusetts certainly recognized what Romney did: "“The initial injury to Catholic religious freedom came not from the Obama administration but from the Romney administration,’’ said C.J. Doyle, executive director of the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts. ... He is very consistent at working both sides of the street on the same issue at the same time. His record on this issue has been one of very cynical and tactical manipulation.'"
Oh, I forgot to mention the financial contribution he and his wife made to Planned Parenthood.
Thanks, Mitt!
Oh, I forgot to mention the financial contribution he and his wife made to Planned Parenthood.
Thanks, Mitt!
I also admire this forthright statement from Romney's chief campaign spokesman;
“'It seems to me he has the same position as any other pro-choice candidate,” said campaign spokesman Eric Ferhnstrom."
http://dailyfreepress.com/2002/03/26/romneys-candidacy-worries-pro-choice-activists/
“'It seems to me he has the same position as any other pro-choice candidate,” said campaign spokesman Eric Ferhnstrom."
http://dailyfreepress.com/2002/03/26/romneys-candidacy-worries-pro-choice-activists/
Shermy believes this: http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm at the same time his mythological christian god performs abortions. I wonder if Shermy will ever realize he has wasted his life believing in primitive myths.
Absolutely wrong about the abortion-excommunication issue in the Mormon Church.
You should do your fact-checking before you publish, not in the post itself. That's embarrassing.
You should do your fact-checking before you publish, not in the post itself. That's embarrassing.
See another half-truth half-lie....Romney made no donations.
His wife gave $150 some 20 years ago.
His wife gave $150 some 20 years ago.
to "sgt rock" - his wife wrote the check on their joint checking account.
Anyway - isn't giving only a little contribution to Planned Parenthood kind of like being only a little pregnant?
Anyway - isn't giving only a little contribution to Planned Parenthood kind of like being only a little pregnant?
Obama has been courageous too.
He made deals with big Pharm so that they don't have negogiate with Medicare or fear cheap drug imports. Good for him.
He order the murder of people and a US citizens without any due process much less a full blown trial. Good for him.
He is ok with the use of Military Tribunals. Good for him.
His admin has stated that they can hold people forever without any a Military Tribunal.
His admin backtracked on giving one guy a full blown US trial. Good for him.
He double down on troops in Afghanistan. Good for him.
He followed Bush's bailout police of giving money to banks and wall street. Good for him.
You go Obama!!!!!!
He made deals with big Pharm so that they don't have negogiate with Medicare or fear cheap drug imports. Good for him.
He order the murder of people and a US citizens without any due process much less a full blown trial. Good for him.
He is ok with the use of Military Tribunals. Good for him.
His admin has stated that they can hold people forever without any a Military Tribunal.
His admin backtracked on giving one guy a full blown US trial. Good for him.
He double down on troops in Afghanistan. Good for him.
He followed Bush's bailout police of giving money to banks and wall street. Good for him.
You go Obama!!!!!!
So when your wife buys tampons then it means you purchased tampons.
Good for you!!!
Good for you!!!
I would say that when my wife and I both attend a Planned Parenthood political fundraiser and my wife takes out a checkbook and writes a check to Planned Parenthood on our joint account, she and I have made a
donation to Planned Parenthood.
Although I am touched by Sgt. Rock's stirring efforts to untangle the Gordian Knot of Mitt Romney's political and moral convictions, I prefer to take Romney at his word (at least, his word before he decided he needed conservative support in order get the GOP nomination):
“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. My mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter. And you will not see me wavering on that.”
No, no wavering there.
Mitt wouldn't sell out his Mom, would he?
donation to Planned Parenthood.
Although I am touched by Sgt. Rock's stirring efforts to untangle the Gordian Knot of Mitt Romney's political and moral convictions, I prefer to take Romney at his word (at least, his word before he decided he needed conservative support in order get the GOP nomination):
“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. My mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter. And you will not see me wavering on that.”
No, no wavering there.
Mitt wouldn't sell out his Mom, would he?
I suppose since the far, far, far right wing doesn't have flag-burning to kick around any more (and bring people to the polls) its understandable that they are bringing out abortion.
I mean, God knows their candidates sure ain't going to get their kind to the polls.
Its funny and sad.
I mean, God knows their candidates sure ain't going to get their kind to the polls.
Its funny and sad.
So we've heard from the usual list of suspects.
If I didn't know better, I would come to the conclusion that Democrats are the party of no Christian religion.
Maybe they fear the strong arm tactics of Cecile Richards!
If I didn't know better, I would come to the conclusion that Democrats are the party of no Christian religion.
Maybe they fear the strong arm tactics of Cecile Richards!
Other old geezers like me will probably remember Jodie Foster's excellent movie, "The Accused," in which she played a young woman who had a fight with her boyfriend, and dressed up and went to a bar to make herself feel better. Some of the young men at the bar misunderstood her intentions, and assaulted her. The substance of the movie was whether or not she was raped. Or, in real life, how about when Mike Tyson was convicted of rape, after a young woman went to his hotel room with him and he assaulted her. In both cases, we can claim all we want that she should have known what she was getting into, and therefore if she got pregnant it was her fault. In those two cases, there is arguably some (SOME) truth to that. But the vast majority of date rape cases are almost certainly not that clear. To say that those cases are her fault, and she should have known better, is absurd.
I am so happy to see that PeteNYC agrees with Obama's couragous stands with making deals with Big Pharm, murdering people without trials, holding people indefinitely without trials, not closing GITMO and giving cash to banks and Wall Street.
Good job PeteNYC...also you sure do make a heck of alot assumptions. Were you there some 20 years ago when she wrote that check?
Good job PeteNYC...also you sure do make a heck of alot assumptions. Were you there some 20 years ago when she wrote that check?
Obama has been courageous too.
He made deals with big Pharm so that they don't have negogiate with Medicare or fear cheap drug imports. Good for him.
Sorry, PvtRock, that was Bush. And it was unbudgeted.
He order the murder of people and a US citizens without any due process much less a full blown trial. Good for him.
Sorry, that was Bush when he attacked Iraq.
It seems the misinformation from the right may be a dirty trick, but it worked on you. Stop trusting FOX and the RJ.
He made deals with big Pharm so that they don't have negogiate with Medicare or fear cheap drug imports. Good for him.
Sorry, PvtRock, that was Bush. And it was unbudgeted.
He order the murder of people and a US citizens without any due process much less a full blown trial. Good for him.
Sorry, that was Bush when he attacked Iraq.
It seems the misinformation from the right may be a dirty trick, but it worked on you. Stop trusting FOX and the RJ.
Actually, Sgt. Rock, I agree with all the actions of President Obama that you describe, although I would not characterize them in precisely the same way that you have done.
Good for you Pete but Jerry is like most kool-aid heads. They just cover their ears, ears and go "la-la-la" as lound as they can.
They simple can't believe that their hero will violate their principles like that.
Here Jerry....take this dose of reality...don't go into shock!
Big Pharm with their Pal Obama who sold the lib wing down the river....you go Obama!!!!!!!! (Pete loves it tooo!!!!!!!!!!)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/white-house-confirms-deal_n_254408.html
http://www.salon.com/2009/08/10/pharma/
Obama orders murder of US citizen without due process and 411...Pete just loves it!!!!!!!!
http://www.law.yale.edu/news/14028.htm
Obama plans to hold detainess indefinitely without due process and Pete LOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVES IT!!!!!.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/obama-plans-to-hold-detai_n_392907.html
Hey....somebody call 911...Jerry just flipped a lid......NOPE....he is still in denial and drinking a jug of koolaid.
They simple can't believe that their hero will violate their principles like that.
Here Jerry....take this dose of reality...don't go into shock!
Big Pharm with their Pal Obama who sold the lib wing down the river....you go Obama!!!!!!!! (Pete loves it tooo!!!!!!!!!!)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/white-house-confirms-deal_n_254408.html
http://www.salon.com/2009/08/10/pharma/
Obama orders murder of US citizen without due process and 411...Pete just loves it!!!!!!!!
http://www.law.yale.edu/news/14028.htm
Obama plans to hold detainess indefinitely without due process and Pete LOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVES IT!!!!!.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/obama-plans-to-hold-detai_n_392907.html
Hey....somebody call 911...Jerry just flipped a lid......NOPE....he is still in denial and drinking a jug of koolaid.
petey, you got my tickets to the big game, Saturday, right?
Good for you Pete but Jerry is like most kool-aid heads.
Except I was right and you were wrong. It was Bush that made the deal with the pharmaceuticals for Medicare; and he included that Medicare could not negotiate prices with the pharmaceuticals; and he made the Medicare benefits off budget, adding to the national debt. Ask Sherman. So who drank the right wing cool aid, PrvtRock? You have got to learn to lose; you're good at it.
Except I was right and you were wrong. It was Bush that made the deal with the pharmaceuticals for Medicare; and he included that Medicare could not negotiate prices with the pharmaceuticals; and he made the Medicare benefits off budget, adding to the national debt. Ask Sherman. So who drank the right wing cool aid, PrvtRock? You have got to learn to lose; you're good at it.
"athos" apparently believes that requiring health insurance policies to cover breast cancer screenings and c-sections is the same as requiring me to purchase basketball tickets for someone else.
I happen to disagree.
I happen to disagree.
The Military issued 6 condoms a month to USA troops (including Catholic troops) see a government condom:
http://med-dept.com/vd.php
http://med-dept.com/vd.php
So Jerry is the Huffington Post and Salon (both left-wing rags) and about 100+ other news media lying about Obama and the deal he made with Big Pharm?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/white-house-confirms-deal_n_254408.html
http://www.salon.com/2009/08/10/pharma/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/07/white-house-confirms-deal_n_254408.html
http://www.salon.com/2009/08/10/pharma/
petey, does this mean you're refusing to pay for the tickets to the big game for me and my son?
Why are you against basketball, petey?
Why are you against father/son bonding, petey?
Why won't you give up some of your hard earned money to provide this valuable service for a much needed educational experience?
I thought you cared about people!
Why are you against basketball, petey?
Why are you against father/son bonding, petey?
Why won't you give up some of your hard earned money to provide this valuable service for a much needed educational experience?
I thought you cared about people!
So Jerry is the Huffington Post and Salon (both left-wing rags) and about 100+ other news media lying about Obama and the deal he made with Big Pharm?
That's isn't what they said. I suggest you read it again. Then read what I wrote and try to dispute it. It is as I said. It was, and still is, from Bush's original deal. And congress (controlled by Republicans) can change it but won't. Seem's the problem is STILL a Republican one.
That's isn't what they said. I suggest you read it again. Then read what I wrote and try to dispute it. It is as I said. It was, and still is, from Bush's original deal. And congress (controlled by Republicans) can change it but won't. Seem's the problem is STILL a Republican one.
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