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Home buyers find banks holding tight on prices at foreclosure auctions










Like many Las Vegas residents in search of a sweet deal on a foreclosed home, Mike Simpson walked away disheartened and discouraged after wasting his time at a recent foreclosure auction at Cashman Center.

He'd been looking at a house two blocks from his children's school that had been sitting empty for two years and was being auctioned by REDC, one of several auctioneers that have blown through Las Vegas with increasing frequency, unloading hundreds of bank-owned homes at a time.


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  • The starting bid for the six-bedroom house on half an acre near Alta Drive and Valley View Boulevard was $219,000. Simpson was prepared to offer $375,000.

    To his surprise and without prior notice, the home was pulled off the auction block.

    "Come to find out somebody made a deal with the bank and the deal fell through," Simpson said. "I spent 21/2 hours there on a Saturday. Why didn't they put it on the deletion list when I first walked in?"

    He's not the first to feel frustrated by home auctions.

    "I have yet to actually meet anyone who was successful in closing escrow on an auction home," Robin Camacho of American Realty & Property Management said. "Agents are sending REOs (real estate-owned homes) that didn't sell to these auctions. With all the great REOs on the market, why stand around at an auction hoping that the deal will close when you are the high bidder? When the closing ratio of these auctions improve, I'll seriously consider taking my clients."

    Dave Webb, chief executive officer of Dallas-based Hudson & Marshall, said he had a "full house" for Sunday's auction of 160 foreclosed homes at JW Marriott. The banks approved 60 percent of the sales on the spot and Webb expects another 20 percent to be approved.

    "The banks are ready to rock and roll," he said. "If it's a reasonable offer, they're ready to take it. Now, they're not idiots. They're not going to take 40 cents on the dollar. If they've got a property on the market for 200 days, it's costing the bank money to hold it every day for taxes and upkeep. So the longer these properties stay on the market, the more motivated they are."

    Webb said Las Vegas has plenty of foreclosure inventory and it's going to last a while. The latest foreclosure statistics from Sacramento, Calif.-based Foreclosures.com showed 6,152 preforeclosure filings for Clark County in March, more than double the 2,813 filings in the same month a year ago.

    One buyer who requested anonymity said real estate agents are biased in their assessment of auctions because buyers don't need their services. She was able to buy a Pulte home in Southern Highlands at a Hudson & Marshall auction last year for $278,000, or about $102 a square foot. The bank was cooperative and did not try to "jack up the price," she said.

    Her second-choice home also closed escrow at the auction price of $283,500. It had sold a year earlier for about $500,000.

    "This house was a gorgeous, huge single-story house on a cul-de-sac with big rooms, pristine high-end cabinets and carpets, a fully landscaped backyard with spa and big covered patio," she said. "It was our second choice only because it was a farther walk to the plaza than the one we bought."

    There's more going on at foreclosure auctions than what's seen on the surface, said Ron Clark, chief executive officer of Rainbow Equity Investments in Oceanside, Calif. Banks that have properties for sale sometimes place "shills" in the audience to bid the price up, he said.

    "Auctions can be a very treacherous place for a novice with a full-time job," Clark said. "You walk into an arena where you've got some slick, sharp operators. There's all kinds of ways to fleece the guy who's a novice and thinks all those banks are in trouble."

    With foreclosures mounting and the housing market reeling, banks should be "humbled" and welcoming people with open doors, Clark said.

    "They're not there yet. They will be in six months or a year," he said.

    Susan Byerley of Durango Mortgage said she likes that banks are holding tight on prices and not having any "fire sales." It's going to be a slow movement to bring home prices down to where they need to be, she said.

    "I don't want something goofy like we had in 2004 and 2005. I just want consistency," she said. "For many years, Las Vegas was the golden child. Everything we touch turns to gold. Now we're seen as the stepchild."

    Contact reporter Hubble Smith at hsmith@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0491.

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    Cristobal Portillo wrote on August 19, 2008 08:42 AM: I would like too deal with any bank that have properties on forclosure I will pay cash.


    New Law wrote on May 19, 2008 08:05 PM: Get one of them elected people to earn their keep and have passed a law that states NO Shills and Bids are final, go a little further and make sellers pay top bidder $1,000 if they don't accept top bid within 1 hour.
    his will sort out the BS.


    Mike wrote on April 24, 2008 02:40 PM: I was at the Tampa convention center about a month ago. Shill bids all the way. Magically houses appear back on the auction block later in the day. How is that possible when they make sure you have a cashiers check at the door? No deals just a lot of, "dung flying IN TAMPA THAT DAY." After the shill bids go up to high enough price and they can not get a sucker to bid at the high level they auction it off again later. REDC is not even absolute so if you actually do win your either are the ponzi in the shill bid process or the bank will not accept the offer and send you a counter offer.

    Half the audience walked out after one of the houses got sold past full market value in tampa it was a mass exodus from the auction. You can fool some people some of the time but not all the people all the time. Then it was back on the auction later in the day. It is simply a snake gathering.

    Thanks for getting the word out and the truth about the con games going on at these auctions. Right now it is a waste of time. It is a going out of business sale when the retailer actually raises all the prices.

    What is going to happen is they will get a bad name (REDC and Hudson Marshall) and people will not spend any money wasting there time traveling to these auctions. That is the game.


    justice wrote on April 24, 2008 11:22 AM: My daughter has been to 4 going away parties in the last 2 weeks...Not much being said about the exodus...How many retirees can afford homeowners taxes on SSI?


    The CAT wrote on April 24, 2008 09:54 AM: Here's a thought!!! Buy nothing and let those stupid bankers keep their messes on the books for 12 months. Then, after making them waste money for a year I'm sure you'll get these homes for 10 cents on the dollar. Instead everyone acts desperate and in the process keep the bankers cocky. Most people don't use their brains, why pay 60 cents on the dollar today when you could pay half next year.

    YOU SHEEP OUT THERE MAKE IT SO EASY FOR THE BANKERS TO RAPE YOU.....


    born to rent wrote on April 23, 2008 10:51 PM: not only are foreclosure auction prices fake, but the prices of listed homes for sale are often fake too. I've seen bidding wars on low ball priced homes and the highest bid apparently was not accepted. I guess banks/realtors think they can still make a killing in real estate.


    REO wrote on April 23, 2008 10:55 AM: voodoo, it's the period BETWEEN july 2006 and july 2007 that shows vegas in the top 10. i can't find anything more current than that. i'm not posting misinformation, it's a press release from march 28, 2008. please tell me what information you are looking at that tells you differently. show me more current info that shows vegas is out of the top 20. seriously , i've been looking and i cannot find anything more current. i didn't say that the housing market here was great, we all know it sucks beyond belief, i simply said that people are still moving here at a decent click, AND THEY ARE. but please direct me to whatever you are reading that disproves that. thanks

    incidentally , so you know that i am not a shill for the industry, i bought a house in 2006 for 355,000, same house across the street is for sale for 219000. so i'm screwed.


    voodoo wrote on April 22, 2008 04:48 PM: interesting how some will post misinformation for whatever reason they see fit.

    FYI - I went to the l from the Census.gov site and the statistics that are posted are from 2006 that list Vegas in the top 10. Las Vegas has not been in the top 10 for quite some time now and that is just yesterdays news, but lets not post some site and quote it as saying something that it clearly doesnt.

    What should realy be said is why are we among the lowest ranked for health Care- Education- wage increase- affordable housing- cost of utilities-etc???


    walt wrote on April 22, 2008 01:00 PM: WAIT WAIT WAIT.TOWARDS YEARS END,CEOS WILL WANT TO PUT THIS ALL BEHIND THEM TO APPEASE WALL STREET. THERE WILL BE CAPITULATION.50-$100 SQ/FT.MORE ARE STILL FORECLOSING THAN BEING BOUGHT.MACRO ECONOMY STARTING TO BREAK DOWN.SOME PEOPLE WHO ONLY BOUGHT 6 MONTHS AGO ARE DOWN 10% IN SOME AREAS.


    robert wrote on April 22, 2008 09:51 AM: Don't worry NACA is coming. www.naca.com


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