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Official sees deeper recession

UNLV economist says unemployment eventually may hit 10 percent locally

Southern Nevada's economic recession is expected to worsen from mild to bad in the next couple of years, though most indicators are forecast to show growth relative to a weak 2008, UNLV economist Keith Schwer said Thursday.

A mild recession has an unemployment rate of 7.5 percent or less, while a bad recession is defined by unemployment of 7.5 percent to 15 percent. That's where Las Vegas is headed, topping 10 percent at some point, Schwer told about 200 businesspeople at his annual economic outlook.


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  • "This is not going to be a mild recession," the executive director of the Center for Business and Economic Research at University of Nevada, Las Vegas said. "This is going to look like the bad recessions of the '70s and '80s in terms of unemployment."

    Schwer's forecast for Southern Nevada shows 9.9 percent growth in hotel and motel rooms in 2009, 4.5 percent growth in housing permits and 3.7 percent increase in visitor volume. Only one of the seven categories -- personal income -- is forecast to be negative, down 2.5 percent.

    Population and job growth, the drivers of Las Vegas' economy in the 1990s and early 2000s, have slowed dramatically. They're projected to grow 1.6 percent and 2.6 percent, respectively in 2009.

    The story line for Las Vegas is "decoupling the myth" that the local economy is somewhat immune to what's going on nationally, he said. That's not true.

    Now that gaming is widely available throughout the country, people who get the gambling itch have high-quality casino choices closer to home. Gaming and tourism are discretionary spending, and although Las Vegas weathered down cycles in the past 25 years, the scene is changing, Schwer said.

    The question is how will travel trends change.

    "What happens here, stays here. That may not be what people are looking for," he said in reference to Las Vegas' advertising slogan. "They may want value. Maybe people are not looking for top shelf. We may have missed our brand here. Our brand used to be value."

    Schwer presented charts and graphs on Southern Nevada's leading economic indicators, most of which generally showed steep downward trends from 2006 to 2008.

    The construction, tourism and business activity indexes compiled by the UNLV economic research center have all declined from their peaks, though the construction index has turned back up from its low point in January 2008.

    Consumer confidence is low and people aren't spending, Schwer said. Big-ticket items such as automobiles and furniture have seen double-digit sales declines. Stores such as Oak World Furniture and M&T Furniture have gone out of business.

    Economic pessimism is widespread, according to a business outlook survey conducted by the research center. At the end of November 2007, 28.4 percent of responding companies expected to add employees within the next three months. That fell to 7.2 percent at the end of November this year.

    Commercial real estate broker Perry Muscelli said he wasn't surprised by what he heard at the outlook.

    "It's interesting to see actual concrete data that substantiates the actual experience in the business community," he said. "Most shocking was 50 percent of homes in Nevada have negative equity. That's a staggering statistic that puts the economy at great risk."

    Contact reporter Hubble Smith at hsmith@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0491.

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    Diego wrote on December 16, 2008 05:44 PM: I live in the Mid-west and earn my living within the American Auto Industry working for a company that supplies components to the Big 3. I have never been affiliated with the UAW.

    Take your card and insert them in one of your orifices, maybe the one that shoulde contain a brain but doesn't. If you don't like what brand of car people buy, go away. Go back and sweep your midwest floors, pull your teeth out with pliers and stroke your little sauasge. BOY...


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    Confused wrote on December 16, 2008 12:28 PM: So, should I now start thinking that Vegas is closing? I understand that numbers are down, but isn't it possible that Vegas can stay open with fewer tourist. Must they continue to grow to stay open?


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    Don Evans wrote on December 13, 2008 08:54 AM: Chris Hardin,

    To begin, thank you for posting with your real name.

    Your estimate of 6-12 months, with regards to a Las Vegas economic recovery, is overly optimistic, I believe.

    We're looking at the global de-leveraging of everyone from corporate giants "too big to fail", down to the individual who turned the U.S. savings rate from a low single-digit number (pitiful) into a negative number (truly pathetic).

    If we're lucky, the current recession will get much worse, then begin to ease considerably...that is, if the fed and the treasury would be willing to let it alone and stop bailing out their insider buddies and companies that should be forced to re-structure or fold. Otherwise, we see a short "recovery" in which the same folly will be repeated; only to be met with the same problems when we "emerge".

    I don't see an appreciable recovery for another 12 months, at best.


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    hendertucky resident wrote on December 12, 2008 04:37 PM: BAD you are correct. The Hendertucky police department is totally out of control and jammed with little hotshots that like killing ice cream ladies and harassing the public.


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    LOL is a FOOL wrote on December 12, 2008 03:08 PM: What a fool LOL is. Definitely not from Nevada. These casinos have you so bamboozled you don't know what from where. Casino are making so much money they don't know where to spend it all. That's why they're building new and bigger casinos overseas. Sucking the money out of Las Vegas and building else where. Suckers like you allow them to do it. Go back to Taxifornia and sit in the sh^t you created there with your liberal fascist Democrat union programs.


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    Free Nevada wrote on December 12, 2008 01:39 PM: The "Big" 3 (three is big?) are someone else's problems.

    Civics lesson: The SENATE are our elite pre-leader think thank. They aren't supposed to be there to bicker about their states, but rather make sure everything being done makes sense to the country as a whole. The guys that are out there to do the representing on behalf of their states work in an aptly named place called the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

    To fix Nevada's economy we need the whole government, including the behind the scenes people, the unions, all elected officials and our off shore (DubaiWorld) partners not to mention Wayne Newton and Steve Wynn to pull together and build a maglev between McCarran and the unused terminal at Ontario, then on down the 91 to Anaheim. Here is what a maglev is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWmTldrOyo

    Reversing the flow on the California aqueduct (by partnering with CA, AZ and MX to build a desalinization plant) would not hurt either, but that's more of a growth play than a survival play.


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    Chris Hardin wrote on December 12, 2008 01:00 PM: The Big 3 should file BK so that they have the freedom to improve their cost structure. They will not go out of business nor will 3 million people lose their jobs. However, they will be pruned back to a healthy size and then allowed to re-grow. This is what is done with any bloated, un-competitive company. There is no other long term solution. And Vegas will be fine in 6 to 12 months. Our casino is not Vegas or the economy. The problem is the casinos took on too much debt and expanded foolishly by building rooms faster than the airport capacity can grow. The casinos were in trouble no matter which way the economy went. Bear in mind 5000 new rooms equals 1,800,000 room nights per year. And the airport was operating near capacity. A year ago we could not get this many new people through the airport. 18 months ago I warned the analysts of this and they acknowledged I was correct but decided to proceed with the expansions based on blind faith that their projects would work even if the raw data indicated otherwise. Fools.


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    Bad wrote on December 12, 2008 11:42 AM: Too bad the Mayor of Henderson FAILS to see the recession.

    He is willing to give that crook Perkins thousands of taxpayers dollars dispite any recession or budget crisis.

    Its bad enough we are in a recession but to give this clown a contract after his involvement in the police shooting of an innocent mother is staggering and corrupt.

    People of Henderso time to rise and stop this city counsel from giving Perkins YOUR money and thousands he is alrerady collecting.

    Henderson is a dirty city filled with corruption and abuse.


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    EFC wrote on December 12, 2008 11:31 AM: I hate to be one of the few who is in support of the auto industry bailout, but I feel that I and the majority of American consumers are a major reason for their decline. The problem always starts with our foolish dependence on foreign oil and Americans need for the big gas guzzler. Consumers are the force that drives the big 3 to build big cars. Everyone has a truck or an suv these days. When the oil crisis hit during the Carter admin. I thought that all the big cars were on their way out and that we were headed towards more efficient autos. The government passed regulations but it wasn't enough. Gas production went up, the economy eventually got back on track and we were back to BIG car production. Now the gas crisis is so bad that people stopped driving or flying anywhere. (Now that gas is down again watch the casino numbers for Nov. and Dec. to go back up) I want to help thoes 3,000,000 people who will lose their job if the auto industry fails by supporting a bailout, but the American people have to insist on.

    1)Alternative energy sources for autos
    2)Greater regulation or tax on gas guzzlers
    3)Limitation and accountability on Auto Exective salary
    4)Support of Buy American Products

    I'm not in favor of over government regulation, but in this case it should be do or die. The big 3 had their chance over the last 25 years. I don't want another depression which I fear will happen if we don't do a bailout.


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    Don Evans wrote on December 12, 2008 11:07 AM: The Las Vegas economy has not decoupled, because the global economy has not decoupled from the U.S. economy.

    International tourists, including Chinese gamers, have suffered in this worldwide recession along with the rest of us. The somewhat diversified nature of the global economy was the sole reason we erroneously believed our economy was "recession-proof".

    I believe this recession, which is just starting, has put an end to the theory that the Chinese and Indian economies are self-sustaining. In sum, the American consumer is still king. Unfair trade practices (unbalanced trade), and domestic greed, killed this golden goose.

    The fact that we are, as the article asserts, a non-diversified economy; relying upon gaming as a near sole source of revenue, will actually be an exacerbating factor.


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