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Housing rebound? How about 2011?

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Nobody needed sunglasses Friday at Las Vegas Housing Outlook 2009.

That's because any ray of hope for the local housing market is at least two years away, housing analyst Dennis Smith of Home Builders Research said.


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He predicts a 1.7 percent decline in new-home prices this year to $240,000 and a 3.1 percent decline in resale median prices to $158,000. That will be welcome relief from 21.8 percent and 34.8 percent declines, respectively, in 2008.

New-home prices should turn up 4.2 percent in 2010 and resale prices should gain 6 percent, Smith said.

Appraiser Scott Dugan said it will be five years before Las Vegas registers any real appreciation in housing values.

He sees a wave of 3,000 to 4,000 new foreclosures hitting the market when the 90-day moratorium by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae expires at the end of January. That's going to push prices down an additional 10 percent, Dugan said.

Richard Plaster, president of Las Vegas-based Signature Homes, said he doesn't know if he'll make Smith's cut of pulling a minimum of five building permits a year to be included in Home Builders Research reports.

The best-case recovery scenario for his business is two years and the worst-case is 10 to 20 years, Plaster told a crowd of about 300 real estate-related professionals at the Gold Coast.

Smith counted 8,994 new-home closings in 2008, down from 15,584 in 2007. Sales averaged 975 sales a month in the first half of last year and fell to 787 a month in the final six months.

"I've been here since 1988 and that's the lowest annual number of new-home sales I've ever counted," Smith said. "There's not much good news to talk about except where we think it's going to go. It's going to be very soft in the first half of the year, very soft. No permits, no starts, no closings."

He projects traditional new-home sales will slip to 6,500 in 2009 before bouncing back to 7,250 in 2010 and 8,500 in 2011.

Resale closings were one bright spot for Las Vegas, increasing to 30,491 in 2008, compared with 24,838 the previous year. They're expected to increase again to 32,000 this year, though about three-fourths of the sales are foreclosures.

Most of Smith's charts and graphs showed downward trends.

New-home permits fell to 6,110 in 2008, closing out the year with a dismal 168 in December, from 14,510 in 2007. They're going to bottom out at about 5,000 this year before rising to 6,500 in 2010 and 9,000 in 2011, Smith said.

"I don't think those numbers are going to change much for six months, maybe longer. I don't think there's enough demand out there. Builders aren't going to build houses for less than they cost," he said.

The number of home builders in the Las Vegas market has been whittled down to 38 from a peak of 179 in 1996.

Builders are a resilient group and they're not going to "dry up and blow away," Smith said. They'll come to Las Vegas from other parts of the country and those that have gone into "hibernation" will reappear, he said.

"We know they're going to be here because a lot of the investor groups that are buying (residential) lots here are connected with a builder or knows somebody who's a builder," he said.

Final mapped lots for single-family homes came down to 3,400 in 2008 from 11,315 the prior year.

Net sales per subdivision plummeted to 0.1 a week at the end of the year from a high of 1.6 in March 2006. "Can it get much lower?" Smith asked.

Plaster said housing speculation led to excess building starting in 2001 that was out of line with employment growth in Las Vegas.

"We probably should shut down as an industry. We probably don't need the housing," he said.

The futures market points to housing prices declining not by 5 percent, but by 15 percent, and suggests we won't come out of the bottom until 2011, Plaster said.

Richard Lee of First American Title noted that 62 percent of homes available on the Multiple Listing Service are vacant.

"It's amateur investors that got us into this, those guys who read 'Rich Dad, Poor Dad' and didn't finish it," Lee said.

Contact reporter Hubble Smith at hsmith@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0491.

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jk wrote on January 21, 2009 04:44 PM: Richard Lee is an incompetant fool, who financed the amateur investors? Oh, thats right, the lenders/banks!

Without the lenders there would be no so-called amateur investors. Typical moron(mon)fool, doesn't know his head from his a*s.


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Johnk wrote on January 21, 2009 01:27 PM: The popular Obama is in office. He might be the president who oversees a depression. Hold on to your hats, the worst might yet be to come. Property values, don't buy now.


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willy wrote on January 18, 2009 02:08 AM: Truly sophisticated thinking will never be written in this paper or any public forum. Markets of course predict big downfalls because that is what futures markets do. It is extremely rare to see a futures market predict a short term trend to reverse itself or to stop so to see 15% down is almost positive in itself that it isn't seeing something in line with the 35-40% drop over the last year.

Look people at some point things will turn. Its silly to think there is another 40% drop. Foreclose on all the houses you can imagine and then some and predict that rate resets or whatever demon you choose are going to cause more trouble, but it won't matter. Investors (those evil guys) are back in the market because the cash flow is insane. Houses being sold for way under current cost is insane. Continued doom and gloom when no new inventory is being added is also insane. All these sorts of analysis miss the point.

Point is housing sells not so much on supply/demand but on simple math. Can people afford houses in general and can investors make money renting them out. For short periods of time things get out of balance, but eventually reality strikes a path back to balance. We've already gone past balance. Things will turn, maybe this quarter, maybe 5 or 6 quarters from now...no one really knows when. No one calls turns in trends accurately. It is just certain it will turn unless you think the Valley is going to lose say 15% or more of its population. Feel free to make that prediction, but I don't like your chances.


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REAL DEAL wrote on January 17, 2009 09:31 PM: THIS IS ALL MUTE THERE IS NO MONEY GAMING INCOME DOWN 69% CAR SALES DOWN 50% PROPERTY TAXES DOWN 40% (SOON)ALL THESE GENERATE TAXES ,,, MONEY FOR THE STATE SO HOW DO WE SPEND MONEY WE DONT HAVE WE CAN CUT THE SERVICES BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS PEOPLE AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE LESS PEOPLE WAIT TILL THE 30,000 CONSTRUCTION WORKERS LEAVE AFTER CITY CENTER CUTS THEM IN MARCH, ALL YOU THINKERS THERE IS NOTHING TO THINK ABOUT...NO MONEY NO SERVICE LOOK AT CALI


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tiffany wrote on January 17, 2009 06:26 PM: THOUGHT YOU MAY ENJOY THIS ARTICLE.


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LAUGHING wrote on January 17, 2009 05:46 PM: I imagine those that get their negative equity ERASED (through a "hardship" or being "minority") laughing behind closed doors at their UPSIDE DOWN neighbors.


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ObamaNation wrote on January 17, 2009 03:25 PM: Oh glory be Oh Glory be, we be having us a celebration on next Tuesday! My man, M. Obama will be in and that evil old GW Bush will be out. Then, the skys will clear, happy days will be here, no more mortgage to fear and "The Man" will be put in his place for sure! Yowsire, Yowsire, Yowsire!


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Roger wrote on January 17, 2009 03:16 PM: Bill..and you the irony of all this ? alot of those aholes will walk away from this in a better equity position than people like you & I...responsible and being raped over the value of our homes...the aholes will refinance at a lower rate and at a current value..while we sit on a deficiency balance for the next 10 years..think about it...in my case when (or if) my home recovers its value the deadbeat down the street who got a bailout refi loan will have $200k equity...very nice


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Karen wrote on January 17, 2009 02:43 PM: Scott,
Your right. I'm wrong. I did mean Morale. I'm an idiot. Thank you for taking the time to point that out to not only me, but everyone else. You are such a good person. I see that everything you wrote in response was really important to the topic at hand. Thank you Scott, Thank you.


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