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REAL ESTATE SYMPOSIUM: 'Subprime tsunami' hits home

LV tops nation in foreclosures, but that may not be bad

Realtors need to separate fact from fiction to protect clients from the "subprime tsunami" and false pretenses of getting rich quickly in real estate, a panel of home loan experts said Wednesday.

"We're never going to see 54 percent appreciation again, I have a hunch," Shane Watson, managing partner of Direct Access Lending, said during a three-hour symposium for local Realtors. "We believe the market is very strong here and this is just the calm before the storm."


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  • Watson said that Nevada leading the nation in foreclosure filings and Clark County being second to Los Angeles County is actually good for the industry. It will drive away investors who entered the market with marginal credit and perhaps even misrepresented their income on loan applications, he said.

    "What's the old saying? Buyers are liars," he said.

    Foreclosure filings dropped significantly across the country in April, according to Sacramento, Calif.-based Foreclosures.com. Fewer than 100,000 notices of pending foreclosure auctions were filed during the month, down 14.3 percent from almost 115,700 filings in March.

    "One month does not make a change, but it's better than (going) up again," Foreclosures.com President Alexis McGee said.

    Some housing experts blame the rise in foreclosures on subprime lending. People either bought more house than they could afford or took out all their equity during refinancing.

    Andrew Pugh of SellFastLV.com said anecdotal evidence from his business suggests that many owners have little or no home equity despite the price boom of 2003-2004. That's why those facing foreclosure aren't able to cut their prices and "be done with it," he said.

    One woman bought her house in July 2003 for $170,000, "absolute perfect timing" as things started to run up for the next 12 months, Pugh said. Last August she refinanced for $300,000. Now she's behind on payments and needs to sell, but comparable sales in her neighborhood are only $270,000.

    "You can't slash the price below what you owe on the house," he said. "I seriously think most people in Vegas pulled out all their equity and blew it on who-knows-what. Those 10,000 or 11,000 vacant properties on the (Multiple Listing Service) represent anxious sellers that are slowly bleeding to death and would love to sell at just about any price."

    With no equity, home owners list their house for what they owe plus commissions and closing costs and it sits on the market, Pugh said. Eventually it goes back to the bank.

    "Unfortunately, I can't do anything for these people and neither can a real estate agent," Pugh said. "They might be able to short sale if they can find a buyer, prove they're insolvent and don't get lost in the bank's bureaucracy. Good luck. Otherwise, they'll go back to the bank in a few months and then show up as REOs down the road. Now, the real question is, where did all that refi money go?"

    We all know people who have "champagne taste and a beer budget," said Anthony Washington, a mortgage banker and principal of Washington and Associates.

    That's when stated income for a mortgage loan becomes a dangerous situation, he said. They're going to choose the $350,000 home when they really should be going into a $300,000 home.

    "Oh, my income has to be this? OK then, that's what it is," Washington said. "The door of opportunity to enter the market was too wide open. The door got wider and wider."

    Rebecca Froass, senior director for Freddie Mac in Washington, D.C., said subprime loan origination grew from $126 billion in 2000 to more than $590 billion in 2006, from 11 percent of all home loans to 24 percent. Nevada's share grew by 133 percent, she said.

    Some subprime borrowers had no credit or thin credit and, with the gap growing between median income and median home prices, saw it as a way to finance their dream of home ownership, Froass said.

    "Again, we don't think subprime (lending) is bad on its face," she said. "It allowed a lot of people to own a home who couldn't normally afford one."

    The purpose of two-year, low-interest loans is to get people into a house and hopefully their financial situation would improve down the road, Washington said.

    Understanding that people's spending habits don't generally change in two years -- credit card debt continues to grow and saving is at an all-time low -- combined with the same assets, income and FICA (credit) scores, and now the loan program they had is no longer available, Washington said.

    "Right now, the market is fine from a lending standpoint. It's just that lending requirements have changed and we must make adjustments," he said.

    Before foreclosures, Nevada rose to No. 1 in the nation in mortgage fraud, which was largely tied to occupancy fraud, Watson noted. Investors were purchasing homes as rentals and second homes and telling the banks they were primary residences, he said.

    "There are third-party companies here that design tax returns for investors," Watson said. "That's what we're dealing with in Southern Nevada."

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    Mike Davis wrote on June 08, 2007 01:27 PM: Following this discussion...hello Obi Won...ding dong ding dong...read the Review's Business section for June 7 and 8th....the truth is real estate market is collapsing upon its own over speculative weight....Darth vader and the other comments are right on...you represent the problem Obi Won....you are the one who is wrong...shame on you


    Darth Vader wrote on June 07, 2007 03:17 PM: Well Obe Won...HOO HAH!! Smoked you little tush out of the workwork did we now!!!!??? Could not resist another insightful deep come back!!!??? Well Boy-O ...now that you revealed yourself as the low life rat affilated with either the real estate sales end or Broker Development end of the business...let's see if you survive this downturn...bet even after reaping $$$$ during the hype and speculation that you d0nt have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out! Our collected Las Vegas advice to you BOY O is pack up your rags, climb into that leased Bimmer of yours and crawl back to that minimum wage job you had before all the hysteria in the real estate market took advantage of schmucks like you...and by the way my little friend...sexual insults aside...we think you need Viagra just so you can find your johnson to take a wee wee!!! Give up you miserable low life rat...you are no match for anyone on this Forum...after this meltdown...you will be living back with mommy in her basement! HA!


    Obe Won Kanobe wrote on June 06, 2007 01:17 PM: Darlene Holmes, any relationship to John Holmes? Sounds like thats what you need...you too Darth.


    Darth Vader wrote on June 06, 2007 12:37 AM: Obe Won and Positive Outlook are one and the same person...a real estate genius schmuck but a dangerous one...most likely in the real estate business or one of the hangers on who are not scurrying like rats...ho hah!... I am old Las vegas you low life miserable rat....my guys are looking for you and if we find you...you are going to take a dirt nap in the desert...you rat!


    Darlene Holmes wrote on June 06, 2007 12:05 AM: How sad...its obvious Positive Outlook and Obe Wan are the same person juding by the duplicate remarks...oviously this forum has touch a raw nerve with this guy/gal? But the truth be known...it was the real estate community ,and their enablers, mortgage lenders, greed driven developers and crooked appraisers...who ran this market to heights that could not be sustained...now only to suffer the inevitable collapse...They need to be cleaned out of the system...flush down the toilet from where they came back in the sewer that runs back to Southern California. Believe me...their are those of us in Las Vegas who would indeed like to string these guys up...but first hey Positive/Obe Wan...I got a great deal for you in a condo...hey the market has only more up to go...right!!!!


    alan wrote on June 01, 2007 06:56 PM: I think what we are seeing is the same phenomenon that has happened to Arizona in the past.As the stock market did well the investors pulled out of Arizona real estate and the prices dropped. When the stock market was bad they invested in Arizona realestate and hence prices were driven up. This compounded with the subprime lending to many workers in the service industry who bit off more house then they can chew has led to this correction.


    Obe Won Kanobe wrote on May 30, 2007 05:32 PM: Darth Vader needs to stop with the ignorant remarks. Get a life you bum. Let me guess you were put through college with your parents money, someone who knows everything about everything but does nothing about anything instead will sit on your fat ass and complain! right? right? you bum!


    Positive Outlook wrote on May 29, 2007 10:59 PM: Darth Vader is a loser. Get a life you bum. We dont need an individual leaving such negative remarks. Let me guess you were put through college with your parents money and is someone who knows everything about everything but does nothing about anything and just sits on your fat butt and complains...right?


    Bob Davis wrote on May 13, 2007 09:25 PM: I agree wholeheartly with Darth Vader. I think it would be very helpful if we long time Las Vegans who have endured this price speculation take some old fashion western justice...say like take a couple of these real estate hypsters agent/broker types from say, that firm that has the old ballon logo and string them up by their pencil necks, hanging them from below their gondola....yes and then grab a couple land developers and mortgage/bankers types and run them out of town after tarring and feathering them real good! No... maybe just dig a couple holes in the desert and deposit some well chosen types! Sweet!


    darth vader wrote on May 13, 2007 09:12 PM: The real estate scum and shylock mortgage brokers need to be taken out to the middle of Las Vegas Boulevard tied to the largest and nearest Developer's Sign and Bull whipped until their greedy flesh falls off their boney A***s! These excuses for the market blow out are the same we heard in 2001-2001 stock market collapse...get real folks...speculation, greed and frankly hype by the real estate community ( which includes, agents, broker, lenders and developers). No you captain's of industry...reap the wind of market correction that will be with us for several more years until equilibrium returns to normal market forces...for now...the chumps we bought into this market are going to to suffer...too bad the bull whips are not being issued to those folks...no doubt a few of the real estate professionals and their minions would be running for their lives!


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