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Bar owners in quandary over smoking ban

Despite spending tens of thousands to comply, many questions remain

The owners of PT's Pub thought they were complying with Nevada's smoke ban when they spent tens of thousands of dollars building walls separating some of its kitchens from bars and creating separate corporations to deliver food to its customers.

The tavern's owner, Golden Tavern Gaming, is also one of two companies seeking to drop its name from a long list of Southern Nevada bar and tavern owners who are challenging the Nevada Clean Indoor Air Act in the Nevada Supreme Court.

"We're trying to do a good job," said James Wadhams, attorney for Golden Tavern Gaming.

But enforcement of the ban in Southern Nevada has been inconsistent, he said. So actions the pub owners thought would help it come into compliance with the law have turned out to cost the business money. That's because interpretation of the ban is still as confusing as it was in March when company representatives first met with health district staff about compliance and keeping smoking customers happy, he said.


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  • "The problem appears, to me, that the health district is dealing with an act that is not related to health but more akin to a zoning ordinance," Wadhams said.

    A main point of contention is under what circumstances food can be served to patrons at stand-alone bars. Health district officials say customers can't order food from a third party, but PT's officials and many other business owners thought they could.

    Golden Tavern officials said they have had at least eight "positive meetings" with the health district, which is responsible for enforcement of Question 5, enacted by voters in November.

    Still, Wadhams plans to address the district's Board of Health on Thursday about giving the agency's staff some direction on enforcement.

    Stephen Minagil, attorney for the health district, agreed there is a "difference of opinion" on interpretation of the Nevada Clean Indoor Air Act. He also agrees that the agency's staff needs direction from its health board. But, he said, any confusion over interpretation stems from businesses that disagree with the health district on food service.

    Wadhams says the disagreements arise from a March discussion Golden Tavern representatives had with health district officials about whether the business could allow its customers at stand-alone bars to order take-out from restaurants such as Dominos or Pizza Hut.

    The health district's response in an April letter was essentially yes, "as long as the bar was not involved in the service of the food,'' he said.

    With that in mind, at some of its PT's locations, Golden Tavern Gaming separated its kitchens from bars with a wall, then created a new corporation for those kitchens known as Golden Tavern Restaurants, or PT's to Go. The idea was to provide its bar patrons an opportunity to order food from PT's to Go, which they considered a separate business, and remain in compliance with the law.

    "The law doesn't prohibit people from eating where there is smoking,'' Wadhams said.

    But in June the company received a letter from the health district saying the law doesn't allow third-party service into stand-alone bars. That letter was followed by an Aug. 28 letter in which Minagil wrote that it's never been the health district's position "that simply by securing a permit for its kitchen operation under the name of an operator different from the permittee of its bar operations could food prepared in the kitchen be served in the bar under the same roof where smoking is not prohibited."

    The letter went on to say that earlier references about "Dominos and Pizza Hut" delivering food to stand-alone bars were "hypothetical" and only dealt with food delivered by restaurants off site.

    Minagil said when Golden Tavern created separate corporations in order to serve food to customers in their stand-alone bars, other taverns followed suit, which led to numerous complaints from the public.

    "Somehow the answer they (Golden Tavern Gaming) took from our conversations led them to put their kitchens under a separate corporation,'' Minagil said. "They weren't told that.''

    A second issue Golden Tavern has with the health district's interpretation of the law is whether a business can operate as smoking and nonsmoking, but at separate hours of the day. Wadhams said he had heard the health district was allowing some businesses to operate like this in the spring but then abruptly changed.

    In March, the health district's plan review supervisor Paul Klouse told the Review-Journal that when a business goes from a smoking to nonsmoking operation, all of the air must be vented.

    Over the next few months, Minagil said, the health district allowed about 10 businesses to temporarily operate as smoking and nonsmoking establishments under a dual permitting system. Those permits have expired and were only to be used on an experimental basis.

    Minagil said the health district sided against allowing dual permits because most businesses in the trial did not comply, and that scientific data from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on air quality did not favor this type of ventilation.

    Still, Wadhams' concern is that the health district allowed some bars and taverns to operate one way one day, then another way the next day.

    Passed by voters in November, the Nevada Clean Indoor Air Act bans smoking in grocery stores, restaurants and bars that serve food.

    The law was challenged by Southern Nevada businesses in December.

    Clark County District Court Judge Douglas Herndon later upheld the law but removed criminal penalties for violators of the ban, making the health district sole enforcers of the law. He preserved the $100 fine for violators.

    The law outlaws smoking in many indoor places, but it does not require bar owners or workers to enforce the ban.

    Many of the same lawyers for the Southern Nevada businesses who had challenged the law in December have filed an appeal with the state's Supreme Court.

    Wadhams said PT's decision to remove its name from the appeal is based on the fact that it has had positive meetings with the health district and its belief that a smoking ban will eventually be upheld.

    Minagil said the health district is in the process of submitting regulations to its board that should help with enforcement and take away some of the confusion. He said those regulations will be presented to the board in the "near future.''

    Contact reporter Annette Wells at awells@reviewjournal.com or (702) 383-0283.



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    Harry Crapper wrote on October 24, 2007 07:48 AM: How bout outlawing people hanging cigarettes out there car window? I'm sorry but that is littering. I'm gonna get a piece of paper and wrap it with crap and set it on fire and hang that out my window. Smell that...


    old man wrote on October 23, 2007 04:36 PM: Some one should put to vote that carbon monoxide kills and should be banned in all public places. You see cigarettes contain carbon monoxide and it kills. Lets see, all vehicles produce carbon monoxide, Radon in homes kill second hand inhailers so lets ban them all and go back to horses. Wait, to much sh77 causes methane. yep second hand smokes kills and look at all the senior citizens we have and they got to smoke everywhere they pleased, yep second hand smoke kills when you get freaking old and your body is frail. I had my fun and i saw what it did so now i am helping you younger people to live one more day for that and i need a walker, and oxygen tank to get to my slot machine and have a smoke. Yep my days were fun days and you deserve not to have what i had because i need you youngins to pay for my medical. Thank you californians for this issue


    Brian wrote on October 23, 2007 02:55 PM: Really easy law: NO SMOKING IN ANY PUBLIC BUILDING>PERIOD>


    cj wrote on October 23, 2007 02:41 PM: im with scott. why doesnt the RJ look into and report on any repeal processes that are taking place. this law is idiotic at best. bars are meant to be smoked in. next thing you know people wont be able to drink at bars.


    Russ wrote on October 23, 2007 01:21 PM: Gee, Todd, obviously a smoker and calling the majority of Las Vegans slimeballs? I think you're sadly confused.


    BH wrote on October 23, 2007 12:32 PM: A poorly written law that is confusing.

    I suggest that the state outlaw smoking altogether and stop the sale of all smoking products everywhere in the state. However that will never happen because the cigarette tax is to attractive and heavily relied on to fund the budget. They could always tax only the people that for voted for the moronic law.

    Smokers continue to get the shaft while the state gets the gold mine.


    Finally wrote on October 23, 2007 11:26 AM: Thank you Todd.

    That's the whole point of these ridiculous laws, the government takes more and more freedoms away.

    So much for a FREE country


    Beytovin wrote on October 23, 2007 11:06 AM: What IS absurd is the fact that the proprietor of an establishment has lost his freedom of choice on how to run his/her business. The text of the act specifically states that the establishment IS NOT RESPONSIBLE for enforcement. Give them all the shot glasses they want, or let everybody butt out on the floor.

    A never-ending stream of lawsuits will put this to bed, as the health district will not be able to afford to answer all of them. When the absurdity of their own making becomes apparent to them, maybe definitive actions will be communicated, but this is just another "two monkeys screwing a football" debacle. Sometimes you really get what you vote for. And everybody that voted yes on 5 got a big, fat, stinking, ugly turd.


    Scott wrote on October 23, 2007 10:59 AM: When will we have the opportunity to recall this silly law?


    Marc D wrote on October 23, 2007 09:45 AM: the problem here is the ppl moving here from california bring the same stupid ideas they are trying to leave behind with them,they are so sure they know whats best for everyone that they will push these stupid laws on all of us ppl that choose not to live in california.

    Nevada was always a state known for the state govt. staying out of our lives to a certain extent but in the last 15 years that has been pushed to the wayside by the major influx of ppl from the crazy state to the west of us.

    Don't get me started on the ppl that move here to get their kids out of trouble but actually bring the problem with them.

    if you want to live in a nanny state go back to california or where ever else these ppl come from, we are not interested in having the state tell us how to live our lives.

    The state of california has gone as far as to ban the words "husband and wife"and "mother and father" from their school system so no one is offended,how long before we see this stupid crap pushed for here?


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