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DEMOCRATIC DEBATE: Hopefuls play safe, nice

Conciliatory tone dominates as Clinton, Edwards, Obama share stage



Photos by K.M. Cannon.




The three remaining contenders for the Democratic nomination hid their claws in kid gloves Tuesday night in Las Vegas in a debate that was mostly civil despite the tensions roiling the race.

Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barack Obama were taking no risks as they sought to make their closing arguments to Nevada voters with just days to go before Saturday's caucus here.

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  • "We're the survivors of what has been a year-long campaign," Clinton pointed out as all three expressed their respect for one another.

    The candidates sat around a table at Cashman Center in downtown Las Vegas only feet from one another, with NBC's Brian Williams and Tim Russert just across. The dining-table intimacy had a far different feel than the line of podiums of most past debates.

    The debate kicked off with the issue of race. Held on Martin Luther King's birthday and sponsored by black and Hispanic organizations, the discussion had been designated to revolve around minority issues long before the campaigns waded into that land-mined territory in recent days.

    All three scrambled for the high ground during the two-hour debate, the second in Las Vegas for candidates vying for the Democratic nomination.

    "I think what's most important is that Senator Obama and I agree completely that neither race nor gender should be a part of this campaign," Clinton said.

    She praised Edwards for his humble background, called Obama "inspirational" and concluded, "We're all family in the Democratic Party."

    Obama said, "I know that John and Hillary have always been committed to racial equality." He said his campaign was about the idea "that we can't solve these challenges unless we can come together as a people, and we're not falling into the same traps of division that we have in the past."

    Edwards said he'd seen the civil rights movement first-hand growing up in North Carolina, "and I feel an enormous personal responsibility to continue to move forward."

    The candidates stuck to the messages they wanted to impart. Obama: I'm inspiring. Clinton: I'm seasoned. Edwards: I'm a fighter.

    TALKING TO NEVADANS

    Although they had a national audience, the candidates took pains to speak to the Nevada electorate they are fighting hard to win over in these final days before the caucuses.

    Clinton illustrated a point about the need for leadership in America with a recent tour of a local neighborhood.

    "I went door to door in Las Vegas last week and I met construction workers who've been laid off," she said. "I met a casino employee who's already been laid off."

    Obama used the state to segue into a discussion of alternative energy: "You look at a state like Nevada, one thing I know is folks have got a lot of sun here," he said. "And yet we have not seen any serious effort, on the part of this administration, to spur on the use of alternative fuels."

    Nevada's pet issue, the proposed nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain, got a deeper look than it has in the past and inspired some of the most pointed exchanges among the candidates.

    "The people of Nevada have found it's easier to promise to end it than it is to end it," Williams said of the dump. He asked the candidates whether they would pledge to kill the project.

    "I will end the notion of Yucca Mountain because it has not been based on the sort of sound science that can assure the people in Nevada that they're going to be safe," Obama said.

    Clinton, who has made the most strenuous effort to out-Yucca her rivals, used the issue to take them on.

    "I have been consistently against Yucca Mountain," she said, noting that a few months ago she presided over a committee hearing on the project in the Senate.

    She suggested the other candidates didn't have her commitment: "Barack has one of his biggest supporters in terms of funding, the Exelon Corporation, which has spent millions of dollars trying to make Yucca Mountain the waste repository," she said, referring to a nuclear-power company based in Illinois whose employees are major givers to Obama's campaign. "John was in favor of it twice, when he voted to override President Clinton's veto and then voted for it again."

    Obama said the fact that his state has more nuclear plants than any other made it all the more noble that he has stood against the project.

    Edwards said that between the time he voted and today, new scientific evidence, such as an investigation into falsified research results, has changed his mind.

    Edwards maintained that opposing Yucca ought to mean opposing nuclear power. He has taken a hard line against it, while Obama and Clinton say it should be left on the table as long as the waste issue is resolved first.

    "I am against building more nuclear power plants because I do not think we have a safe way to dispose of the waste," he said. "I think they're dangerous, they're great terrorist targets and they're extraordinarily expensive."

    Going further into the energy issue, Clinton strongly condemned a 2005 energy bill that Obama voted for and she voted against.

    "I think it's well accepted that the 2005 energy bill was the Dick Cheney lobbyist energy bill," she said. "It had enormous giveaways to the oil and gas industries. It was the wrong policy for America. It was so heavily tilted toward the special interests."

    In an implicit poke at Obama, she said of changing American energy policy: "It's not going to happen by hoping for it."

    Obama said he voted for the bill "because it was the single largest investment in clean energy -- solar, wind, biodiesel -- that we had ever seen."

    And Edwards snapped, "I believe, Senator Clinton, you've raised more money from those people than any candidate, Democrat or Republican. I think we have to be able to take those people on if we're going to actually change our policy."

    Edwards again took a further environmental position than the other two, saying he would stop the building of coal-fired power plants in America.

    STYLE AND LEADERSHIP

    Obama had to answer for comments published in today's Reno Gazette-Journal in which he said he didn't think he was a CEO type.

    "Being president is not making sure that schedules are being run properly or the paperwork is being shuffled effectively," he said. "It involves having a vision for where the country needs to go."

    Clinton took aim: "I think that there is a difference here," she said. "I do think that being president is the chief executive officer." President Bush, she said, promised to set goals and let others follow them, and "we've seen the results of a president who, frankly, failed at that."

    Obama said, "I think there's something, if we're going to evaluate George Bush and his failures as president, that I think are much more important. He was very efficient. He was on time all the time. ... What he could not do is listen to perspectives that didn't agree with his ideological predispositions."

    WAR AND SAFETY

    The candidates tried to draw differences on the war in Iraq.

    In a segment in which each candidate got to ask another a question, Clinton asked Obama whether he would co-sponsor a bill she has proposed that she said would prevent President Bush from dictating the next president's war policy without input from Congress.

    "We can work on that, Hillary," Obama said, drawing laughs. He noted his opposition to the war from the outset and said it would be his "first job as commander in chief" to change course.

    Edwards interjected, "I think I've actually, among the three of us, been the most aggressive and said that I will have all combat troops out in the first year that I'm president of the United States."

    The moderators noted that in a previous debate, none of the three pledged to get all American troops out of Iraq by 2013. But Obama said that had been misinterpreted as meaning they would all continue the war.

    "I will end the war as we understand it in terms of combat missions," he said. "But we are going to have to protect our embassy. We're going to have to protect our civilians."

    Edwards said rather than having an anti-terrorism force in Iraq, he would put it in Kuwait, to end the perception of U.S. occupation of Iraq.

    Later, Williams read a statement Clinton made recently that raised the specter of terrorism by noting that an attack was attempted on English soil shortly after Prime Minister Gordon Brown took office.

    She said, "The fact is that we face a very dangerous adversary, and to forget that or to brush it aside I think is a mistake. So I do feel that the next president has to be prepared."

    Obama said there was "no doubt that we've been dominated by a politics of fear since 9/11."

    The risks are real, he said, but "when Senator Clinton uses the specter of a terrorist attack with a new prime minister during a campaign, I think that is part and parcel with what we've seen: the use of the fear of terrorism in scoring political points."

    The mistaken decision to go in to Iraq comes from such manipulations, he suggested: "That's what happens when your judgment is clouded."

    Clinton said, "I think there's a difference between what President Bush has done, which has, frankly, used fear as a political weapon, and a recognition, in a very calm and deliberative way, that, yes, we have real enemies and we'd better be prepared and we'd better be ready to meet them on Day One."

    INSIDE THE HALL

    Inside the theater, the audience of about 2,000 was well-behaved, with a couple of exceptions.

    Early in the debate, a man seated in the balcony caused a brief delay when he stood to yell, "We do not want these race-based questions coming from you two" -- apparently addressing Williams and Russert.

    And just as the debate's first commercial break was announced, a woman near the front of the theater called out something about "black and brown."

    Obama got the only applause of the debate following a question about whether black and Hispanic voters are divided.

    "Not in Illinois," he answered to laughter and applause. "They all voted for me."

    Following the debate, Clark County residents who were in the audience said they were impressed buy how civil and positive the three candidates remained throughout.

    "I liked it because we really need to know who is the best candidate, not what is the worst thing they have done in their lives," said 47-year-old Mexican immigrant Irma Varela-Wynants.

    But because the candidates were on their best behavior, there were few notable moments in the debate, they said.

    "I did notice that one moment when the candidates were discussing their pros and cons, and Hillary totally avoided her cons," said Robert Rosales, 48. "But it's just politics, and she's good at it."

    Rosales said he had come to the debate undecided about who to vote for, and the debate didn't change that.

    "It's still early."

    Also undecided was 81-year-old Mary Tapia.

    "I still have to go home and process the whole thing," she said. "It's between her (Clinton) and Obama."

    Tapia said she was still trying to decide whether she is ready for a female president.

    Varela-Wynants, an Obama supporter who became a U.S. citizen several years ago, said she was disappointed that more debate time wasn't given to the topic of immigration.

    "It's such a complex issue, and nobody really has an answer," she said. "Everybody talks about the bad, but nobody recognizes that brand new people bring energy and money to this country."

    Review-Journal writer Lynnette Curtis contributed to this report. Contact reporter Molly Ball at mball@reviewjournal.com or (702) 387-2919.



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    Brittanicus wrote on January 18, 2008 11:41 AM: Having lived in Las Vegas for over a year I know there is a large population of illegal foreign nationals, employed by the casino'a and the entertainment industry. Hopefully there is enough supervision to detect at the Nevada caucases illegal voting. The culinary union which I belonged to has thousands of workers, who are not legally in this nation and will without hesitation break any law to gain an advantage. According to the 2006 U.S. census, it is estimated there are 610,000 Latino's in Nevada. Voting is a citizens right, a privilege given to us by the U.S. Constitution. Looks like advocate judges are interpreting the law, as they see fit. Example allowing Caucases to be acceptable in a gambling Casino, where illegal aliens voting would be a travesty of our Democratic process. Does the law of Perjury apply in a Caucase environment, when it come to voting for a presidential nominee?


    Linda wrote on January 16, 2008 10:40 PM: Establish African American Museum within the Smithsonian, Federal funding for research of environmental factors in Breast Cancer, Increase hospital benefits under Medicare, Establish Tariff Quotas on milk protein imports, Federal funding for mental health community education, protect patients in managed care plans (again), establish Office on Women’s Health in HHS, increase the minimum wage, allow media coverage of trials, prohibit racial profiling, improve health care in rural areas, protect consumers in managed care plans, prohibiting trade of bear viscera, provide greater fairness in arbitration of motor vehicle franchises, provide adequate insurance coverage for immunosuppressive drugs, provide financial assistance for trade-affected communities, acquisition and improvement of child-care facilities, prohibit employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, establish programs to deal with nurse shortage, establish a National Cyber Defense Team to protect the internet’s infrastructure, provide services to prevent family violence, require criminal prosecution for securities fraud, reissuance of a rule on ergonomics, ensure safe pregnancy for all U.S. women, improve investigation and prosecution of rape cases with DNA evidence, improve national drought preparedness, increase the minimum wage (yet again), assistance in containing HIV/AIDS in foreign countries, emergency assistance for small-businesses affected by drought, child care and developmental block grants, provide economic security for America’s workers, enhance security for transporting nuclear waste, FEMA hazard mitigation grants, increase mental health benefits in health insurance, criminal prosecution for people who destroy evidence in securities fraud cases.

    No, it definitely is not the record of a Corporatist appeaser.

    John Edwards, keeping the promise to America.


    Linda wrote on January 16, 2008 10:33 PM: ...continued, John Edwards record and these are just the Bill that he CoSponsored and worked to pass, not all that he voted for.

    This is also the guy who tirelessly fought to keep the sunset provisions from being stripped out of the Patriot Act. His votes on labor and trade are solidly leftist, although he did vote for the China Trade Bill. Then again, since this was something Bill Clinton was solidly for, he was voting with his party. (Funny how Hillary supporters take him to task for this vote…) He also (along with Dodd and Biden) voted against the free trade bills with Singapore and Chile, unlike Senator Clinton, who voted for them.

    Here’s a guy who constantly brought up the issue of “predatory lending” even though he hailed from a state with a huge banking and financial services industry. If you listen to or read his stump speeches from late ’02 and early ’03, you’ll wonder what the hell his detractors are talking about when they say that his populism is a new tack; his platform was economic and worker-oriented from the beginning, telling of how the Bush Administration was systematically shifting the burden of taxation from wealth to wages.

    So here’s that partial list of the bills he co-sponsored. This is not a list of his votes, just those bills he actively got behind and worked to get passed. This is hardly the stuff of a closet conservative or an opportunist, as he’s been tarred, nor is it the record of someone who was just phoning it in. I would request, in interest of fairness, that the deriders among you at least skim through this VERY long list; it’s all pure fact.


    Linda wrote on January 16, 2008 10:32 PM: ...continued, John Edwards record and these are just the Bill that he CoSponsored and worked to pass, not all that he voted for.


    Linda wrote on January 16, 2008 10:31 PM: John Edwards showed he is the candidate best to bring about REAL change and move us forward.

    For the teachers, you should be thrilled with John Edwards plan, including preschool, plus college.

    Now that John Edwards is gaining, opposition is trying now to claim he is more conservative. It is true he gets the best overall support, but that is because he is a man of conviction. Here is some of his record to set things straight.

    When remembering that he came as a neophyte from a rather red state, it’s quite surprising to see just how populist he was on many key social issues. (Well, it’s not surprising to many of us, but to those of you who’ve been poisoned with the endless snideness about the “new” Edwards and the “old” Edwards, it should be an eye-opener.)

    He only sponsored two bills, but he co-sponsored a whopping 203 in his six-year term. This is a partial list of them (yes, I omitted the Patriot Act and IWR; much has already been said about them) and bears a quick skimming. They’re in chronological order, so details can be found fairly easily. The two bills he sponsored were for research into the “fragile x” chromosome associated with mental retardation, and the “Spyware Control and Privacy Act”, an important early bulwark against attempts to compromise our computer privacy. This last one is a true civil-rights issue, taking on corporations and attempting to secure the rights of individuals, and it’s visionary stuff.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d106:SN03180:@@ ...

    Russ Feingold said he was a “terrific asset” in getting campaign finance reform through. He was the person who deposed Lewinsky and Jordan in the impeachment trial; quite an important task to entrust to a newcomer in literally his first year in office. His opposition to Ashcroft in the confirmation hearings was vigorous


    Mike Baker wrote on January 16, 2008 10:12 PM: Ron Paul is an American's American

    Out here where the people live, there is a great stirring. The old lies no longer work. The Welfare/Warfare State is tottering toward collapse and the bi-partisan political establishment that built its power on the ashes of the Constitution is afraid. It should be afraid, because Ron Paul is the embodiment of the original American idea: the founding concepts which propelled this nation into greatness. He is perhaps our last great chance to restore that which has been lost.

    We must seize the moment for posterity's sake. Adherence to constitutional principles is the only cure to what is becoming a police state in the name of the war on terrorism. We need a man like Ron Paul now more then ever. He is a candidate all Americans can embrace as their role model for common values. His steadfast defense of the Constitution, his refusal to abandon principle for politics, and his down-to earth Christian family values make him an easy choice for President; he is truly an American's American.


    Tony B. wrote on January 16, 2008 10:06 PM: Let"s get this straight. A first time U S senator Wants it be President of the only and number one Super power nation on plant earth. Why not??? just because He has a Muslim background, He use to have a little Cocaine, and a beer just to wash it down... Come on people. Just vote for me... What.s the problem ???


    Steve wrote on January 16, 2008 09:23 PM: Gordon,

    You said: "Remember a zealous prosecutor, ken star, spent 60 million trying to find ANYTHING illegal done by the Clintons, he found nothing (except a BJ). Not many Americans could survive that type of witchhunt."

    You're right about that. Just ask Vince Foster and others about "surviving". Oh, that's right, the ones who could have provided the truth about the criminal Clinton gang didn't survive, did they? Vince Foster; the husband (who died in prison of a "heart attack" when he was perfectly healthy) and his wife (who got the message after her husband and others died "mysteriously"); Brown who died in a helicopter crash (and was found to have a bullet hole in his head); who knows how many others...


    Eleanor Sherman wrote on January 16, 2008 07:06 PM: Barack is biracial. He is half black, half white. Why must he be referred to as "black" and possibly our first "black" president?

    This is wrong and obviously incorrect.


    patriot wrote on January 16, 2008 06:25 PM: I,m a teacher, wow thats reason to vote for pres. translated more money for me! single ho,e she remarried, im sure glad alot of thought goes into these selections.


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