Jeff wrote on December 29, 2008 03:56 AM: I do not live anywhere near the proposed site WILL BE, and I have known about this shooting park since I moved here in 2003!!! It was widely advertised in the newspapers and on the news...

honestly, it will not bring down your homes value at all...In fact you might be able to make a profit from a gun enthusiest who wants to be closer to the park, like the 65 million pro gunners that are out there...I find it eeerie to have a whole community that are anti gun. You do know that this country was founded, kept safe and is defended to this day by guns??? Japan didn't attack us in 1941 because he knew most americans were armed...have peace knowing that if the "SHTF" there are many shooters well practiced...

57 dbs is barely audible and there will be no ranges that will aim towards your homes...safety is the main concern...

that area that is to be the new shooting park is where people would go to shoot in the desert in the wash right next to the proposed site, and I am sure you never knew or heard they were there...The only difference will be that instead of gang bangers and dumb kids with guns shooting behind your house possibly shooting towards your community, it will be a totally controlled environment with safety officers rangemasters and strict enforcement of safety!!!!

so I hate to say this but you were not lied to, you just didn't pay attention. funny none of you saw the signs when driving around looking for the home that stated what was going to be built there...I am sure every one of you notice the signs in dirt lots that say a new lowes or grocery store is being built, but not a shooting park...

Steve wrote on February 22, 2008 12:22 AM: You all need to learn how to research the neighborhood you're spending a quarter to half a million dollars in.

I moved from California into a rented house a block south of the high school about a year ago and even I knew that the shooting park was going to be built before I moved in...

Seriously, take some responsibility for your own ignorance. It was *your* job to find out about these things before signing on the dotted line.

Kime Goodrum wrote on February 20, 2008 05:17 PM: I was amused and amazed at some of the citizens comments against the range.

Lead is not harmfull from bullets or shotgun pellets even if ingested or you are carrying some in your body like I am. The only way lead can hurt you is if you can some how get it in your body in a powder, dust, or paint form that children eat off of their Chinese toys.

The ones who were worried about people carry guns in mass through their neighborhoods must think every home around them has drug crazed people with guns near them.

And for noise pollution. Below are common noises and whar the noise ratings are.
65 CONVERSATIONAL SPEECH
BIRDS SINGING

60 SEWING MACHINE

50 AVERAGE HOME INTERIOR
ELEGANT BISTRO
MODERATE RAINFALL
INSIDE CAR AT 50 MPH

LARGE STORE (50-60)

40 QUIET RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY

30 WHISPER AT 5 FT

I guess with some people's fear of the very thing (GUNS) that originally made the USA a nation and not an English colony and what keeps us free today I can only conclude that the "Masses are still Asses".

Rotten wrote on February 16, 2008 11:15 AM: Carmel Canyon Homeowners.

You no longer live in a Canyon.

You have officially become a Berm.

Don Turner, the County's Shooting Park Expert says in this article, the noise from the range must be kept below 57 decibels, at the nearest residents property line; otherwise, the county must build berms or other barriers to muffle the sound. That's what he said.

Let's imagine what he meant by that.
Did those Commissioners sit down in a room and asked Lennar homes to build them a Berm? At first they called it Carmel Berm, but that didn't sell real well. Then they went with Carmel Barrier, but it didn't sell either. Carmel Highlands? Nope. I know. Carmel Canyon!
You became an instant buffer to all of your neighbors. Your family is their filter. They are now at 56 decibels.
You've created a muffled noise that they can live with. You are their Berm. They've waited years for you to move in. Thank God that Don Turner figured out a solution that the County Commissioners can hang their hats on. Imagine the cost to the County if Lennar wouldn't have sold you those Luxury Homes. It's a win win situation. I don't know how much berms cost to build, but I bet Lennar made a few bucks off of the uninformed berm dwellers at Carmel Canyon.
If you're interested in reversing this effect, get involved. Start a dialogue. Hush Hush, you need to organize. If you need help, just ask.
The County lied to all of you. The developer followed suit. Business as usual? Time for a change.

Rotten wrote on February 16, 2008 09:57 AM: Hush Hush hit a bullseye.
Disclosure is the entire issue here.
When these LLC's (developers) sit down with Clark County Commissioners and discuss what might potentially stand in their way of getting approval on an unusable or otherwise zoned parcel of land, Mountains are moved in a matter of minutes when it comes to our current County Commissioners.
House prices are plummetting because of inventory. There are too many houses on the market. Why would the Commission allow a developer to build a community so close to the Shooting Park? Why would the developer not disclose to the buyer that the Shoting Park was on the right next to their Community? They've known about it for 24 years. The reason is that nobody would paid those prices for those homes. The developer escapes with little or no liability. The County passes the buck and tells you "We told you. We notified you. Didn't you see the signs?" What would cause this response? The complicity between the Developer and the Clark County Commissioners, for not disclosing this to the Homebuyers around the Shooting Park, is mind-boggleing, but yet accepted behavior by our Commission. How else do they expect to serve another term if they step on just one of the many Developers toes?
If Clark County has been planning this Shooting Park for 20 plus years, why did they wait until now to break ground? Is it possible that they waited that long to get the right people in place, to finally create this error in judgement that clearly would be better located outside of the Valley. The other side of the Mountain.
24 years ago, it was a perfect spot for a shooting park. 24 years from now,, It'll be Condo's. Time for answers Commissioners.

Hush Hush wrote on February 15, 2008 11:31 AM: I am a resident of this complex and what no one understands is that we were lied to and are still being lied to. Before dropping $500K on a home out this far, I certainly did do the due diligence including geological surveys. Lennar told us that the land north of us was a nature preserve for equestrian and there was no further building out there. We had to sign disclosures for the 215 beltway growth and the new Aliante casino, both of which are miles from here but there were no disclosures for the gun range right behind our homes! So for those comments that criticize us please understand that we are victims here! Yes the developer will be hearing from our lawyers but there has been some shady activity by our politicians. They claim they posted signs but when we asked "where?" we were told they were put on Moccasin road... an unpaved road you can not even access from here. We were also lied to about the recently built Shadow Ridge High School located near the entrance to the park. Councilman Ross claimed he has a great relationship with the principal, but after some calls, the principal claims he doesn't know Ross and just found about about the range as well! How can you expect the average homeowner to know about this when public high school officials didn't know either. Would they have even allowed the school to be built here had it been properly publicized? I'm Pro-gun, but haven't we had enough school shootings in this country? Talk about a National PR nightmare for the city when the school officials begin to fight this too!

R.B. Gustavson wrote on February 14, 2008 11:53 PM: I find the ignorance of home purchases amazing. It is common sense to check and see what is planned for the neighborhood before you buy....

Casey wrote on February 14, 2008 06:52 PM: The stray bullet argument is stupid at best. Good luck finding stories to back up the claim that stray bullets leave the range.

I live under the right turn, and you can't hear anything unless it's an international flight. Which is rare.

Casey wrote on February 14, 2008 06:50 PM: The noise level at the park must be below 57 decibels at the property line of the closest house. I checked and 57 decibels is equivalent to a high speed toothbrush. On top of that ... put in the effort to find out what is going to be build by your house. It's free and rarely requires more than a phone call to find out what is going to be built around you. Lazy people deserve no sympathy.

Larry wrote on February 14, 2008 05:30 PM: And I thought the airplane issue was bad for us Summerlin folks. Guess it sure beats N. Las Vegas

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