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Reid says McCain echoes Bush in talk of Yucca Mountain

Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Monday that Republican presidential candidate John McCain is saying the same things about Yucca Mountain that President Bush once did, and Nevadans should not be fooled.

"That's what George Bush said, remember, and he'd been president for a couple of weeks when he decided science wasn't so important and jammed it down our throat," the Senate majority leader said in an interview.


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  • "John McCain has voted with the proponents of Yucca Mountain every time, without any question," Reid continued. "If he's president, Yucca Mountain would be a reality."

    During a campaign stop in Nevada last week, McCain said he would base decisions on the project on science and make sure it met environmental and safety standards. While saying he still supported the proposed nuclear waste repository 100 miles outside Las Vegas, the Arizona senator expressed doubt that it would ever clear regulatory and legal hurdles and actually be built.

    "You have to go through the process," McCain said in an interview last week. "In the past history of this country, we have made too many errors that have damaged our environment and people's lives."

    Reid said he heard in McCain's words an attempt to have the issue both ways and echoes of the campaign promises of George W. Bush.

    During the campaigns of 2000 and 2004, Yucca Mountain was a major point of contention as the candidates campaigned in Nevada. Both times, "sound science" was Bush's trademark as he vowed to move the project forward based on the evidence.

    "I believe sound science, and not politics, must prevail in the designation of any high-level nuclear waste repository," Bush wrote in a letter to Nevada's then-Gov. Kenny Guinn dated May 3, 2000. "As President, I would not sign legislation that would send nuclear waste to any proposed site unless it's been deemed scientifically safe. I also believe the federal government must work with the local and state governments that will be affected to address safety and transportation issues."

    On Feb. 14, 2002, Bush recommended Yucca as the site for 77,000 tons of radioactive waste based on studies by the Department of Energy.

    During the 2004 presidential campaign, Democrat John Kerry highlighted the move, which he called a broken promise. Bush again used "sound science" as his byword to claim that he would only go forward with the project if it was shown to be safe.

    Bush narrowly won the state, and his administration has continued to push forward with the repository. To the state of Nevada, which maintains an official position against the project, the promise to adhere to the evidence has not been kept.

    "We refer to the (Department of Energy's) kind of science as advocacy science," said Bob Loux, executive director of the state's Nuclear Projects Agency. "That's when you only go about collecting the data and information that makes your case, and ignore other data that suggests the opposite."

    Loux noted that the Energy Department recently submitted its license application for the site despite the fact that a court in 2004 threw out proposed health and safety standards. "So we really don't even know what standards Yucca Mountain is supposed to meet," Loux said.

    In a Review-Journal poll conducted last month, 52 percent of Nevadans said a candidates' stance on Yucca Mountain would have at least some influence on how they vote.

    While Reid accused McCain of softening his rhetoric for political purposes, a McCain campaign spokesman denied the charge.

    "That implies that the senator (McCain) has changed his position when he hasn't," Rick Gorka said. "Senator McCain believes that Yucca Mountain is necessary, but he wants to ensure that it's environmentally safe and sound. The senator has always said there is a need for Yucca Mountain, but it needs to be based on sound science."

    Gorka charged that it is McCain's opponent, Democrat Barack Obama, who has tried to have it both ways on the issue. Obama has said he would end the project.

    Gorka pointed to a massive 2005 energy bill that contained $557 million in funding for Yucca. "When Senator Obama votes for that, it contradicts Obama's message," he said. "You can say you would kill it in an election year, but in 2005 you vote for $557 million to fund it? That is, to me, a glaring change in his position."

    Both Nevada senators, Reid and Republican John Ensign, voted for the bill, which Reid had worked to trim by $150 million from the amount Bush originally requested for Yucca.

    Obama spokeswoman Shannon Gilson said Obama's vote on the bill did not represent a vote in favor of Yucca Mountain, which he has consistently opposed.

    Contact reporter Molly Ball at mball@reviewjournal.com or 702-387-2919.

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    Skeptical Nevadan wrote on July 07, 2008 05:09 PM: I just wish all of you anti-Yucca Mountain people would be honest about what really makes you angry about this issue: the state's rights angle.

    Few people with any knowledge of the subject (specifically, the science) would oppose the repository on technical grounds.

    Few people with any knowledge of the legal and regulatory issues would oppose it on those grounds -- at least before reading the relevant documentation.

    And few people with any real appreciation of human history are truly concerned about the so-called regulatory time-frame, which begins with an operational and monitoring phase of up to 300 years, then extends to a post-closure phase of 10,000 to 100,000 years. Anyone who thinks seriously for a moment about the absurdity of trying to predict the outcome of any human endeavor for that length of time can't help but find the debate on this subject laughable. 300 years is longer than the history of our nation as a nation; 10,000 years is nearly twice the duration of human history itself (4,000 years longer than the existence of the planet and everything on it, according to certain religiously inclined people); and 100,000 years ago (for certain religiously uninclined people), our evolutionary ancestors were picking vermin off each other's hairy backs.

    So let's be straight: the only reasonable argument is the state's rights argument. The repository was rammed down our throats by Congress, and there wasn't much we could do about it. The politicians representing the 30-plus states with nuclear facilities, operating on the principle of "not okay in my backyard but fine in yours," had more power than we puny underrepresented Nevadans, and it makes our blood boil.

    But the sad truth is that those states constitute a majority that will always beat us on this score, and that issue has already been decided by law.


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    Skeptical Nevadan wrote on July 07, 2008 04:49 PM: For Inquiring Minds:

    Here's the skinny on Bob Loux. First, we Nevadans are not, thankfully, paying his salary. The way I understand it, the Nuclear Waste Policy Act stipulates that Nevada receive funds from the federal gov't in order to finance its "interest" in the proposed repository. As it turns out, the state's "interest" has been to oppose the repository at every turn, so the DOE basically PAYS the state of Nevada to harrass ... the DOE!

    Ah, yes, only in America.

    In any case, state agencies such as the Nevada Waste Projects Office (run by Bob Loux) are mostly financed by the Nuclear Waste Fund, which currently holds about $20 billion (paid by nuclear plants out of money collected from customers).

    So in truth, Nevadans have had to foot the bill for very little of the blathering that passes for the state's opposition, which I suppose is a good thing for Nevadans.

    Problem is, the state has made a legal nusiance of itself over the years, and this has caused well-known delays in licensing and opening the repository. But because the law of the land stipulated that the repository begin receiving waste from nuclear utilities in 1998, the federal gov't is now in breach of contract, and the utilities have begun to sue (and win) for continued storage costs they did not expect to incur.

    Mark my words: At some point, this money will come out of all of our pockets....

    And one more thing: What expertise did our state seek when hiring for the position ultimately filled by Bob Loux?

    Scientist? Engineer? Nuclear regulatory expert?

    Bzzzt! Guess again! Loux was a high-school history teacher before being hired to oversee waste oil disposal for the state, making him a logical choice for a position requiring advanced knowledge of the nuclear fuel cycle!

    Only in Nevada....


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    Skeptical Nevadan wrote on July 07, 2008 04:28 PM: It's too bad we cannot harness the power of ignorance and misinformation: the amount surrounding the Yucca Mountain Project alone would probably be enough to solve all of our energy troubles, and power a rocket to Mars to boot.

    Sam S: I suspect you have not read the full story of WIPP. You have the basic premises right, but the WIPP was designed and licensed with a margin of uncertainty. The word "forever" cannot be used for WIPP, unless you want to say that an element of uncertainty will "forever" be present in designing, building, and operating a facility like WIPP.

    You might also be interested to know that the Yucca Mountain repository's licensing basis is largely modeled after the WIPP license. In fact, many of the scientists currently working for Yucca Mountain "cut their teeth" on WIPP; they learned the ropes seeing WIPP through to completion.

    I doubt that these experts on repository science, design, and licensing would share Sam S's view that the WIPP has been "tested for geologic time." It hasn't; it was modeled for such time periods (as is Yucca Mountain), but the tests were obviously not conducted over such a time frame. Rather, results from much, much shorter tests were extrapolated to geological time periods -- with a built-in level of uncertainty!

    Nor, I suspect, would these same experts share Sam S's view that the proposed repository at Yucca Mountain is "unsound."

    One other thing: the defense high-level waste currently stored at WIPP has a completely different thermal profile and composition from civilian waste. In other words, just because WIPP may be adequate for storing defense waste doesn't necessarily mean it would be adequate for storing civilian waste, so the analogy is flawed from the outset.


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    Vote out Hapless Harry! wrote on July 01, 2008 05:49 PM: I continue to be amazed as to why Hapless Harry hates the United States and it’s people so much. One would assume that he would love his Country, after all, the USA has treated him quite well. Yet his anti-American theatrics are an abomination.
    Question for Harry… are you in bed with the Saudis and other anti-American Countries? Inquiring minds would like to know.




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    Loux??? wrote on July 01, 2008 05:45 PM: What’s with that Loux character? Seems like a complete idiot. Are Nevada taxpayers paying this bozo’s salary?


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    Nuke Dog wrote on July 01, 2008 05:28 PM: Dear Sick,

    Please google about how France tries to dipose of its spent fuel! Germany and the USSR are rejecting and returning it: two European countries are suing them to stop reprosessing it because of cross border contamination.

    it's not quite so open and closed of a case.

    Tom, the waste should go to WIPP same as the stuff from Navy powered nuke ships. What the hell is the big deal?


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    tom wrote on July 01, 2008 03:13 PM: More idiodic statements from Reid and Loux! Reid playing politics again which is about all he is good for. It disgusts me that he represents Nevada. Once again if Reid and Loux are so sure sound science was not used, then they have nothing to worry about as the NRC will make note. They know better! Whether you are for Mccain or not, his response makes sense. Bush said the same thing yet these moron democrats try to use it in a political manner. Science will or will not prevail....the NRC will and should make that determination.


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    Sick of blue noses wrote on July 01, 2008 01:40 PM: France gets over 70% of their power from reactors.

    Our navy's carrier and heavy cruiser force is almost 100% nuclear powered with a great service record.

    These are facts and not up for dispute by ignorant green church Luddites. I expect anyone of the greenies worshipping at the feet of the Saintly Arch-Bishop AlGore (of the church of immaculate carbon offsets and private jet use) will make their usual childish response.




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    Sam S wrote on July 01, 2008 11:12 AM: Yucca is not a sound repository, though there are many areas in the US that would be. One area is in N.M., called WIPP -The Waste Isolation Pilot Plant, or WIPP, safely disposes of the nation's defense-related transuranic radioactive waste. So why not the civilian waste?

    WIPP is a salt bed-helium leak-tested for geological time (helium cannot leak out, thus nothing would leak out)! Salt beds and anhydrite beds are not permeable! Thus, any release would be contained to the storage vault forever....not so with Yucca.


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    Roger, you're the nimrod wrote on July 01, 2008 09:47 AM: Roger,

    Did you even read what Mr. Bonzy wrote? He didn't write that nuclear power would solve ALL our energy problems; he wrote it would solve almost all of them. He never mentioned the "gas problem."

    Instead of reading carefully and responding intelligently to what Mr. Bonzy wrote, you resort to name calling. So I'm name calling back, you nimrod.


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