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GOP RENEGADE: Ron Paul stirs up Nevadans

Libertarians dislike spoiler role but can't back McCain










Before he heard about Ron Paul, Wayne Terhune wasn't much into politics.

"I kind of voted for the lesser of two evils every time," said the 57-year-old Northern Nevadan, who has a dental practice in Sparks but lives a ways out of town -- at the end of a dirt road in a house that's off the electrical grid, powered by solar and wind.


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  • That changed when he got wind of Paul's message.

    The Texas congressman, who made a run at the Republican presidential nomination, advocated strict adherence to the Constitution, radically shrinking the size of government and expanding individual liberties.

    He railed against the war in Iraq, saying the United States should not intervene in other countries' affairs, and called for an end to the Federal Reserve and the monetary system.

    A renegade in his own party, Paul moved Terhune in a way no politician had before. He joined a MeetUp.com group in Reno that eventually grew to more than 250 members -- the one in Las Vegas has more than 800 -- and volunteered for Paul's campaign in the run-up to Nevada's Jan. 19 presidential caucuses.

    The question now facing Terhune and other Paul followers is what to do in November. In Nevada, a top swing state, their choice could determine if the state goes Republican or Democratic in the 2008 election.

    Terhune doesn't know for whom he'll vote.

    "I can't vote for (John) McCain," he said of the Republican presumptive nominee. "I don't think he's a real conservative. I'll probably go to a third party, but I'm going to have to investigate my choices before the election."

    Nationally, Paul surprised the political establishment with the energy and money his upstart campaign generated, much of it on the Internet. He ended his campaign last month and announced he is starting an organization called the Campaign for Liberty with the nearly $5 million in leftover funds.

    He has not endorsed McCain, and many analysts wonder if his supporters will look to the Libertarian Party. Paul was the Libertarians' presidential nominee in 1988.

    This year, the Libertarian Party nominee is Bob Barr, a former Republican congressman from Georgia. As a former elected official, he carries a much higher profile than the party's 2004 presidential nominee, software engineer Michael Badnarik.

    The combination of the rich vein of libertarian sentiment Paul tapped in the primary, Barr's credibility as a candidate and libertarian conservatives' dissatisfaction with McCain has political observers wondering if the Libertarian Party ticket is poised to play a spoiler role in the 2008 election, taking enough votes away from McCain to deliver the election to Democrat Barack Obama.

    "Will libertarian Barr be next Nader?" was the headline of a commentary in the Politico newspaper by Terry Michael, director of the Center for Politics and Journalism in Washington, D.C.

    The question is especially apt in Nevada.

    Paul came in second in the caucuses, getting 14 percent of the vote. His 6,087 votes were almost 500 more than McCain got.

    Paul's followers proceeded to descend on Republican conventions around the state. At the state convention in April, at which Paul spoke, they represented as many as half the 1,300 delegates and proposed a successful rule change that they saw as making the selection process more fair for the Republican National Convention.

    Lacking time to complete the voting, the Republican Party shut down the convention. Terhune organized a rogue convention last weekend in Reno that attracted about 300 delegates. Although they insist it should count as the official convention, the party has scheduled the re-convention for July 26.

    Paul's followers also succeeded in getting some of their cherished positions included in the official state Republican platform, such as abolishing the Patriot Act and the Federal Reserve -- positions that put the Nevada Republican Party at odds with the national Republican platform.

    "They totally threw the establishment for a loop here, and the Republican Party is still reeling from it," said David Damore, a political scientist at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. "Paul struck a chord with a lot of voters. In a lot of people's eyes, he's the only one out there speaking the truth."

    In Nevada and other Mountain West states, the independent, frontier spirit makes the population receptive to a libertarian message, Damore said. Depending on how the Paul supporters proceed, "They could be McCain's worst nightmare, especially if they were to rally around Barr," he said.

    Another factor that could have weight locally is Barr's running mate. Wayne Allyn Root, a flamboyant Las Vegas oddsmaker, is the Libertarian nominee for vice president and is well known in gambling circles, where he emphasizes the party's gambling-friendly platform planks.

    Root is a relentless attention hound and a slick presence. Libertarians, he vows, will set records for fundraising and vote-getting this year. Their biggest goal is to be included in the Obama-McCain debates.

    "I've been doing radio interviews around the country. It's remarkable," Root said. "I don't think there's ever been a third party outside Ross Perot that's gotten this much attention."

    Perot's former campaign manager, he noted, is working with Barr and Root.

    Barr and Root have insisted they don't want to siphon votes from the right and cost McCain the election the way many believe Perot did George H.W. Bush in 1992.

    "We're not aiming to be spoilers. We're aiming to win," Root said. "Our second goal is to build a foundation for the Libertarian Party for years to come."

    But he acknowledged that the spoiler scenario is not far-fetched, and added, "It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if that happened."

    George W. Bush won Nevada narrowly in 2004, beating Democrat John Kerry by about 20,000 votes. Badnarik, the Libertarian nominee, got 3,176 votes, four-tenths of 1 percent of the statewide total.

    "You could tip a state like Nevada with 2, 3, 4 percent of the vote," said Chuck Muth, a Nevada conservative activist who subscribes to libertarian ideals and left the Republican Party last year because he felt it no longer represented his views.

    "Libertarian conservative voters believe that since the Contract With America, when Republicans took Congress in 1994, it's been all downhill since," he said. "It took a while, with George W. Bush, for conservatives to realize he wasn't one of them. All the spending, they're tired of it. They thought that by sending a message in 2006, Republicans would learn their lesson. They didn't; they nominated McCain, who's very hard for them (libertarians) to swallow."

    Muth said McCain's campaign has not reached out to libertarian conservatives, leaving their votes up in the air for the time being. He said Barr is a compelling candidate who could captivate former Paul acolytes and tip Nevada.

    Interviews with more than a dozen Nevada Paul supporters found most undecided and none firmly committed to Barr. Many said they were considering voting Libertarian.

    Las Vegas businessman Jason Holloway, 30, said he'll probably write in a vote for Paul.

    Web designer Arden Osborne, 38, whose enthusiasm for Paul led him to get himself elected to an executive position in the Clark County Republican Party, will cast a somewhat reluctant vote for McCain.

    McCain's campaign spokesman in Nevada, Rick Gorka, said the campaign welcomes Paul supporters to join and does not believe the Libertarian Party is a threat.

    "Bob Barr is going to get his share of votes, but we think Senator McCain captures enough of the Republican base, along with independents and Democrats, to overcome whatever votes Congressman Barr receives," he said.

    Muth said he would like to see vote swapping Web sites set up like they were for Ralph Nader in 2000. The sites allowed swing-state voters who sympathized with Nader but didn't want their protest votes to lead to a Bush presidency to trade votes with people in safe Democratic states.

    "Honest to God, I am undecided," he said. "I wake up some mornings and say, 'That's it. I have had it with Republicans. I'm going to vote for Bob Barr.' Then sometimes I think about the people President Obama will appoint to the Supreme Court, and I think I have to vote for McCain."

    If vote swapping were available, he said, "I would do it in a heartbeat. I would vote for McCain in Nevada if I knew someone in a state like Utah would vote for Barr. I'd like to see the Libertarians do well this cycle and send a message to the Republicans."

    Contact reporter Molly Ball at mball @reviewjournal.com or 702-387-2919.

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    J D Webster wrote on July 10, 2008 09:07 AM: It isn't just the Republicans we want to hear our Libertarian message - it's the Classical Liberals stuck in a Democratic Party that is hell-bent for a Socialist state. Classical Liberals want Peace and Freedom just as much as Conservatives do. They have been sold out by the Democratic Leftists and they, too, are looking for a return to a sane foreign policy and a peaceful approach to world affairs.


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    Blue wrote on July 07, 2008 11:12 PM: One of the two-party puppets will become president, as usual. It simply doesn't matter.

    The 434 (Ron Paul is the 435th) in the House and 100 in the Senate have failed miserably, and are responsible for where we are today.

    I'll vote in the upcoming elections for anyone BUT the current idiots in Congress. firecongress.org.


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    daddysteve wrote on July 07, 2008 08:06 PM: Lesser of two evils crap is so lame. A vote for the mainstream is a vote for business as usual.


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    Steve wrote on July 07, 2008 09:15 AM: I'm for Ron Paul. I live in Colorado. I will give all my resources now to Barr/Root. I think that we need to build up the Perot/Paul/Barr/Root foundation. The foundation of the founding fathers team.

    I'm looking at the long term investment.

    Root in 2016

    This is going to be an 8 year campaign to get a true conservative in office.

    This can be done.


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    Will wrote on July 07, 2008 08:31 AM: Yet me say this, if Ron Paul earned your vote before, then why would you give it away now. Sure he might not have been nominated, but I sure as hell will write in his name. Nobody else deserves the vote of truth and liberty like Ron. I would love to see a sizable amount of the popular vote go to him even if he doesn't win.

    While this might seem like a "spoiler" that makes Obama more likely, a great many democrats wrote in his name during our California primary... sadly none of them counting thanks to our biased laws. Ever candidate is a spoiler for another one, but this one actually deserves the votes he will be getting.


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    Dena wrote on July 07, 2008 06:34 AM: Seems like the same quandary I now find myself in. I too have always voted for the lesser of two evils, but no more. I simply cannot support McCain, with his endless wars and corporate welfare agenda. You'd think McCain was runniing for president of the World instead of the US - I'm sure he's spent more time campaigning in Israel and Latin American than he has here. I had pretty much decided I'd vote for Obama (in spite of his appointments to the Supreme Court), but since his flip-flop on FISA, I've ruled him out too. This Republican Party is not the party I joined 40 years ago. There is no one running who represents me, an individual American citizen. Barr is closer than anyone else, but I may just stay home.


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    Freedom_Jury wrote on July 06, 2008 10:39 PM: I see that Brian Kominsky favors using his limited power within the electoral political system to be as effective a vote for freedom on election day as the 1.6 million people in prison are.

    I guess that being useless on election day is a luxury that Brian can afford. After all, if the LP candidate has to fight harder for ballot access in 2012, and thus is less able to fight this nation's insane drug and gun laws, it's no skin off his ass. After all, he's obviously not rotting in prison.

    Since that's the case, he can afford to view politics as a parlor game, and advocate being ineffective. On the other hand, there are those of us who think that the less money the LP wastes on ballot access, the more effective they are at promoting the message of individual freedom.

    Just because Barr won at the 2008 convention doesn't mean he'll win in 2012. Rather than cry and piss and moan, why don't you bring a lot of "real libertarian delegates" to the 2012 convention? Wouldn't that be the responsible thing to do, Brian?

    I understand that that takes money, time, and hard work. Is that why you're going to sit at home and pout on election day? If so, good riddance --that's not the message that the Libertarian Party is trying to send to people.

    I prefer to think of libertarians as intelligent and motivated people who realistically value individual freedom, and are thus realistically motivated to defend it. I know that Root is a good guy, and I'm pretty sure Bob is also headed in the right direction.

    Sure, I have my disagreements with them, but I have disagreements with almost everyone. ...But I can put aside my differences and work with them.


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    Jake Witmer wrote on July 06, 2008 10:21 PM: I strongly agree with Gary Dale Cearley, and agree slightly with Freedom Jury and Timinator.

    Barr and Root are both principled, charismatic, and aggressive defenders of individual freedom. After Barr's run in 2008, Root intends to continue building the LP and to run for president in 2012.

    Timinator: I like Chuck Baldwin, and applauded his early and principled support for Ron Paul, but I agree with Freedom Jury that you also have to look past this election cycle. Barr has disavowed many of the mistakes he made in the past, and has a knack for explaining to confused people why he was (and they are) wrong to support the expansion of government power.

    Plus, he is on the ballot in 49 States and is suing Oklahoma for 3rd party ballot access.

    In a free electoral system with IRV, I am in favor of 30 parties being on the ballot, since that would hurt noone and would not waste anyone's effort or vote. However, until that is the case, and third party ballot access depends on their prior election performance in over half the states, I support the limited freedom movement that there is rallying around the Party that:

    1) defines itself around individual rights the most consistently
    http://www.lp.org/issues
    2) has the greatest access to the ballot
    http://www.ballot-access.org/

    Right now, and for the foreseeable future, that's the Libertarian Party. I wish Chuck Baldwin the best of luck in promoting individual freedom, but his run represents an unfortunate diversion from the organized effort for individual freedom in the USA, which is the Libertarian Party.

    http://www.barr08.com


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    Freedom_Jury wrote on July 06, 2008 10:05 PM: timinator wrote on July 06, 2008 07:03 AM: "Barr is not a libertarian, he is a NeoCon in sheep's clothing."

    Well, gee, timmy, what's your gameplan after 2008, when Baldwin does not win, because he's not on the ballot in enough states to POSSIBLY win? That's right: Baldwin is on the ballot in possibly 38-40 states. And after that, his party is a theocracy, unless he runs again in which case it becomes "The Chuck Baldwin Cult of Personality Party"

    Besides, Baldwin's not a libertarian either, nor does he understand the separation of church and state. I like him when he was supporting Ron Paul, but that was the extent of his political usefulness. Moreover, Ron Paul wasn't "in it to win it", and neither is Baldwin. Neither one of them has a backup plan.

    The Libertarian Party is THE backup plan, and has been for 30 years, in which time it has grown to 50 states of ballot access, and nationwide has over 600 people in office in minor offices.

    Moreover, the Libertarian Party is totally consistent in its defense of individual freedom. The Constitution Party is basically the "philosophically confused libertarian party".

    I suggest that timmy and others like him read "The Constitution of No Authority" where Lysander Spooner argues that if the constitution authorizes slavery and unjust wars, that it has no authority or merit, because those things violate individual rights.

    The vast majority of the problem with the Republican Party is that they are poorly-read mysticists who can't comprehend the implications of the ideas they are supposedly defending. That goes triple for the Constitution Party and their illiterate online defenders.

    After you pick up Spooner, read Rand, Griffin, Peikoff, Heinlein, Freidman, Hayek, Mises, etc. ...You'll soon be advocating voting for Barr/Root in 2008!
    -Peace.


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    Gary Dale Cearley wrote on July 06, 2008 08:37 PM: It is unfortunate that Ron Paul is out of this race now but at the same time we "Big 'L'" Libertarians do have our most viable candidate ever. I think this is a candidate that we can finally sell to disenfranchised Republicrats. I would ask that all Nevadans have a look at Bob Barr (http://www.bobbarr2008.com) and give him a chance.

    Also have a look at the Libertarian Party of Nevada and give other Libertarian candidates a chance to serve you: http://www.lpnevada.org


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