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NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT: Pilots, residents talk safety

Alert system, enforcement among ideas at meeting

With two fatal airplane crashes near the North Las Vegas Airport fresh on their minds, about 50 residents and general aviation pilots met Wednesday night to identify ways of avoiding future tragedies, including the creation of a community warning system for planes in distress and radar enforcement of low-flying aircraft.

The dilemma created by encroaching housing developments around a busy airport is not unique to North Las Vegas, some of the pilots said.


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  • Aside from increasing awareness about the situation, not much can be done, they said. Signs could be posted to warn motorists that the streets they drive on might be used for emergency landings. Perhaps a loud horn could be sounded to let residents know that a plane is in danger of falling from the sky, pilots suggested.

    "I don't know if there is an answer," said veteran pilot Ed Smith, who flies a 1962 twin-engine aircraft out of North Las Vegas Airport. "You can't close the airport. You can't tell general aviation they can't fly."

    The neighborhood meeting was held at Advent United Methodist Church, located near the airport. The meeting was organized in response to a pair of fatal crashes: one involving an experimental aircraft on Aug. 22 and a second, six days later, involving a twin-engine Piper Navajo Chieftain. Both aircraft slammed into houses after departing the airport.

    One meeting organizer, Linda E. Young, former president of the Northwest Area Residents Association, said urban growth and the airport have been on a collision course since the 1980s, as houses were built closer to runways and beneath flight paths.

    "What has transpired over the last 16 years has almost been brutal," she said. "What our concern is, how do we peacefully co-exist?"

    Robert Krenn, who lives three blocks from the airport, said at times, "I could almost swear I get tire tracks on my roof."

    John Hunt, a lifelong Las Vegas Valley resident, wondered why flight regulations are not enforced.

    "They have radar out there," he said, referring to the prospect of using radar as a way to enforce minimum altitudes and glide slopes for approaching runways.

    Hunt noted that in at least one of the recent crashes, the Federal Aviation Administration gave special permission to let an experimental aircraft make a flight test with a device to boost the power of its engine.

    "Why is the FAA allowing these aircraft to fly out of here?" Hunt asked.

    When called for comment by the Review-Journal, FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said, "We don't have all the facts yet. We're still investigating, and from my understanding from reading the (National Transportation Safety Board) report, this was not a new device on the engine. This was on the engine since day one."

    Gregor said that the FAA and the county and state governments did not have the authority to close an airport except temporarily for severe weather conditions.

    An aircraft can use any airport provided that it can land and take off safely on the available length of the runway, he said.

    At the meeting, Smith said residents need to be better informed before jumping to conclusions.

    "My suggestion is do you homework when it comes to some of this stuff," he said. "The airspace does not belong to the county or the state. It belongs to the federal government."

    James Garcia, who lives near the site of the Aug. 22 crash, said experimental planes and large aircraft should not fly from the North Las Vegas Airport.

    "For a big plane, if that hits, it's not going to be one house. It's going to be four or five," he said.

    Local officials, with the exception of state Sen. Steven Horsford, D-Las Vegas, were not present at the meeting. Clark County Department of Aviation Director Randall Walker also did not attend.

    North Las Vegas Mayor Michael Montandon and City Council members were unable to attend because of a regularly scheduled meeting. But Montandon said the city plans to meet soon with state legislators and Clark County commissioners to discuss "accountability" issues related to airplane safety.

    "I have a lot of questions about what can be done on the ground to make sure engines work in the air," Montandon said Wednesday.

    Shortly after the Aug. 22 crash, which killed three people, Montandon said that he didn't "recall ever hearing a constituent complain about the safety of the airport in North Las Vegas" in his "almost 12 years as mayor."

    But that changed after the Aug. 28 crash.

    "Now, of course, you defy all the odds, have two freak accidents in one week," Montandon said. "The phone's not ringing off the hook, but people are saying, 'What are you going to do about this?'"

    Pilots in the Clark County Aviation Association will hold a similar meeting 6 p.m. tonight at the North Las Vegas Airport.

    Review-Journal writer Lynnette Curtis contributed to this report. Contact reporter Keith Rogers at krogers@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0308.

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    Denise wrote on September 04, 2008 06:20 PM: Justice, I'll stick with my original post, your stupid. I was wondering, do you have a t-shirt that you wesr everyday that says Justice on it? Do you fly or shoot a web like spiderman?
    If so then why didn't you save the planes from crashing? Just what kind of super hero are you?


    strad wrote on September 04, 2008 04:58 PM: I just don't think a warning system is going to work. General aviation emergencies, the kind that result in crashes anyways, are very dynamic and generally occur with little to no warning whatsoever, especially those that occur during takeoff. I highly doubt any "early warning" system is going to give residents more than 30 seconds' warning, if that. That's hardly enough time to roll out of bed.


    Justice wrote on September 04, 2008 03:34 PM: Captive, great info there. Sounds like a conspiracy if there ever was one. Hmmmm.


    captive wrote on September 04, 2008 03:21 PM: What folks don't realize is that the airport was once a small, unassuming, compatible private airfield adjacent to rural homes to the north and west a bit. BUT by the mid 80s-it's infrastructure and tenant numbers declined to such a pronounded degree, that is was slated for sale to a non aviation use- in large part because of the surrounding residential building boom.

    It was Clark County and the Dept of aviation who decided to purchase it for conversion as McCarran's Reliever-with minimal public notice or imput, and an FAR-150 study which cleverly tweeked facts and figures toward acquisition- this all followed with a virtual razing and complete redisign/rebuild into a different catagory & function- then inivted everyone to "Come on down." The community's quality of life/safety was forever changed. One new runway was built specifically for training- & ejects dangerously low, loud, and relentless training traffic over residential rooftops.
    Apparently the county failed to notice that 500 feet above homes is, by law private & soverign airspace and that quiet enjoyment of one's property is a constitutionally quarenteed right- especially if the homes were there BEFORE the runway was built- which they were.

    Rumor has it that when a DOA breaucrat was asked why there were no public/residential imput regarding new airport "improvements" which MIGHT greatly impact their community, the repy was " because the socio-economic status of the neighbor does not warrent it" Some pilots seem to agree- but the vast majority of pilots would rather work with the community to improve cohabitation/shared airspace than alienate it.

    There is too much airport in too little space- the 1987 RELIEVER should have been built elsewhere when there was still abundant land- and the field retained for leaner, more responsible GA use.


    Howard Hughes wrote on September 04, 2008 01:47 PM: As a great visionary and former owner of the North Las Vegas Airport, which is not really in NLV - check your maps, people - maybe this airport should be made into some sort of air museum - allowing flights only on specific days like Sunday, daylight hours only - in other words - reduce the overwhelming traffic and therefore the risks of what is considered the worst "small" airport in the nation. Don't we all have an airport in Jean? Amongst the endangered tortoises and tumbleweeds? I know the proposed "Ivanpah" super-airport is on the table for that area - but in the meantime whilst Mr. Walker and the county commission can find another location - I think Jean would be a much better location for training and experimental flying. Or, move everybody living within three miles of the NLV airport to Jean and build monorails for them to get to the Valley of the Dollar for employment and other services. Flying craft will continuously fall out of the sky - but we must do everything we can to prevent more death and property destruction.


    Justice wrote on September 04, 2008 12:54 PM: dobbole, you are too funny. That was great.


    rmolnar wrote on September 04, 2008 12:53 PM: Stuff happens.


    dobbole wrote on September 04, 2008 12:19 PM: LV pet

    Where would you have people live to be out of danger?

    We have 2 airports commercial
    1 Air force base in town and another one just outside of town
    High crime
    Terrorist targets on the strip, downtown and Lake Mead
    Strategic military targets all over the state
    Flash floods outside of town
    High wildfire danger in outlying areas
    Earth quakes
    Drought
    Rural areas have limited law and medical services
    Reckless driving with little enforcement
    Violent schools…

    And countless others


    dobbole wrote on September 04, 2008 12:11 PM: I would like to propose a deal

    You don’t crash your airplanes into my house and I won’t crash my house into your airplanes.

    Seriously the airport needs to benchmark their safety record against the rest of the country and see where their major problems are.


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