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POLITICAL NOTEBOOK: Jack the Plumber has a word for Joe

Business owner sees no problem with taxing rich




Here in Nevada, Jack the Plumber has a message for Joe the Plumber: What's wrong with taxes?

"I personally would like to make a sign that says, 'I am Jack the Plumber, and I'll be more than delighted to pay a little bit more if I make more than $250,000 a year,'" said Jack Ramjeeawon, 61, who owns Jack Dish Plumbing in Henderson with his two adult sons.


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  • "It's very important to us to give back to the community that has given to us," said Ramjeeawon, who said the business makes just under the $250,000 income threshold above which Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama admits he will raise people's taxes.

    "I don't need a quarter million to live a whole year," he said. "Many people are living on minimum wage and struggling to put food on the table. If I make a quarter million, why should I not give a little more to the society that is supporting me?"

    Joe the Plumber, aka Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher of Toledo, Ohio, became the central symbol of Republican nominee John McCain's campaign last week. McCain invoked "Joe the Plumber" 20 times in the final presidential debate to paint Obama as a tax-hiker who would stifle private enterprise. Obama had told Joe, whom he met at a campaign stop, that he wanted to "spread the wealth around," which McCain has called "socialist."

    Analysis has revealed that Obama, like McCain, plans to reduce Wurzelbacher's tax burden and that Wurzelbacher doesn't have a plumbing license. Meanwhile, both sides have continued to invoke his name: He was called "Jose el plomero" at a GOP rally in Miami.

    Ramjeeawon, an immigrant from the African island of Mauritius who has been in the plumbing business for 30 years, said the American dream to him is "not about how much I have in my bank account; it's about living in a society where I can contribute and we can work together. My view is that we can't be greedy. We are a society of compassion."

    He voted for President Bush in 2000, but now Ramjeeawon is a Democrat who plans to vote for Barack Obama. And yes, people really do call him Jack the Plumber.

    ROVE: NEVADA STILL IN PLAY

    According to Karl Rove, Nevada is one of just five remaining swing states.

    The onetime Bush strategist's latest electoral vote map, released Friday, shows every state colored red or blue except Nevada, North Dakota, Missouri, Ohio and North Carolina.

    Florida, Colorado and New Mexico, with nearly every other erstwhile swing state, is blue. Rove, who bases his map on polling averages, tallies 313 electoral votes for Obama and 171 for McCain. It takes 270 to win.

    That doesn't mean Rove believes the election is over; he recently wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal titled "Obama Hasn't Closed the Sale." But it illustrates that in an electoral map trending the Democrats' way at this moment in time, Nevada -- where Rove grew up -- remains one of the last wild cards standing.

    New Nevada polls show Obama narrowly ahead. A Rasmussen poll released Thursday had Obama earning 50 percent of the vote to McCain's 45 percent. The poll of 700 likely voters carried a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points. Two weeks earlier, Rasmussen had Obama at 51 percent and McCain at 47 percent.

    Rasmussen also found the congressional bailout plan wildly unpopular in Nevada, where 19 percent of those polled supported it and 59 percent were against it. Voters were divided, 26 percent to 27 percent, on whether the rescue would help or hurt the economy, with 29 percent saying it would have no effect.

    Thirty-nine percent of those polled believed Obama to be running a positive campaign, versus 14 percent who said McCain is doing so. The majority, 51 percent, thought the Republican was running a negative campaign, versus 31 percent who said that about the Democrat.

    Earlier in the week, an InsiderAdvantage poll of the state had Obama up three points, 49-46; a Zogby Internet poll had him up one, 48-47; and a survey by the local firm Magellan Research also put him ahead by three, 47-44.

    The Web site FiveThirtyEight.com, which attempts to project election results by weighting polls and running simulations, has Obama winning the state by 2.8 points. Bush won by 2.6 points in 2004.

    BANDWAGON HOPPERS

    Nevada's two U.S. senators are hopping on the renewable bandwagon.

    Republican John Ensign said in an interview with the Review-Journal editorial board last week that he is installing solar power at his home in Las Vegas.

    "I'm a big believer in renewable energy," Ensign said. "I'm going to do solar at my house." He touted his own work in Congress expanding the federal tax credit for such an endeavor.

    "I called NV Energy to find out more, and I found out that Senator (Harry) Reid had just called a day or two before," Ensign said. "He's going to do wind and solar."

    A spokesman for Reid, the Democratic leader, confirmed that he is planning a wind project for his home in Searchlight.

    It was noted, in the Ensign interview, that he had missed an obvious opening for a jab at Reid about how much more wind Democrats must have at their disposal.

    Ensign, who maintains a mutual nonaggression pact with Reid in the interest of advancing Nevada's interests despite their widely differing political philosophies, said with a straight face that the wind does, in fact, blow more at higher elevations, like Searchlight.

    MAILERS NOT TO BE BELIEVED

    The hits just keep on coming from the state Democratic Party. A couple of recent fliers from the party in legislative races make claims about Republican candidates that are not to be believed.

    Perhaps tacitly acknowledging that they aren't even interested in attempting to assert their messages have a basis in fact anymore, party representatives did not return phone and e-mail messages seeking answers about the mailers.

    One mailer asserts that Donna Toussaint, the Republican running in Assembly District 5, "Opposes Health Care for Nevada's Uninsured Kids. That's a Dangerous Gamble." The front of the flier amplifies this theme with a photo of a roulette wheel.

    The flier says, "There are 115,000 Nevada kids without health care and Donna Toussaint doesn't seem to care. Donna Toussaint wants to help an agenda that includes saying 'No' to SCHIP, the children's health insurance program."

    These two statements are appended with little asterisks to give them the appearance of sourcing. But the sources are www.statehealthfacts.org, which gives the statistic for the number of uninsured children, and "HR 976, 2007," the bill in the U.S. House of Representatives last year that expanded SCHIP.

    Not only was Toussaint not in Congress to vote for or against that bill, she has never held elected office or voiced an opinion on that legislation, which received bipartisan support. Nor would she be in a position to take stands on federal legislation if elected to the Assembly.

    Across town in Political Notebook's own Assembly District 29, Republican Sean Fellows is said to favor corporations over working people in a couple of similar mailers.

    One bases that assertion on the statement, "Fellows' wife is part of a lobbying group that represents more than 80 special interests and corporations, and Fellows wants to take away consumers' ability to hold corporations accountable for shoddy and dangerous work."

    Again, sources are provided to give the veneer of fact. They point to the list of legislative lobbyists and the Jones Vargas Web site.

    It's true that Kathleen Fellows is a lawyer at Jones Vargas and that the firm is one of Carson City's most powerful lobbying shops. However, she is not herself a state lobbyist, and her husband's views on corporate accountability, presumably a reference to tort reform, are unsourced.

    These are hardly the most scurrilous, nasty or lie-filled pieces of political advertising Political Notebook has seen. But by making the fliers ostensibly about issues and providing footnotes, they appear to be trying to present themselves as the more believable kind.

    Contact political reporter Molly Ball at 387-2919 or MBall@reviewjournal.com.

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    THE JOKER wrote on October 21, 2008 04:43 AM: HEY JACK, SINCE YOUR ALL ABOUT CONTRIBUTING TO SOCIETY AND "WORKING TOGETHER" COME OVER TO MY HOUSE I NEED SOME FREE PLUMBING WORK DONE. MAYBE WHEN YOUR DONE, YOU CAN TAKE A RIDE DOWN TO CUBA AND SEE HOW THERE SYSTEM IS WORKING OUT FOR THEM.


    The Real Right-Wing Redistribution wrote on October 20, 2008 07:17 PM: The rich continue to hire lobbyists to ensure that they continue to grab an ever larger slice of our wealth and income economic pie, as the middle class gets smaller, and the working poor grows.

    That, my friends, is right-wing redistribution and it's been going on for decades.

    Trickle down on me.


    Jim shoes wrote on October 20, 2008 05:27 PM: Hey, Jack the lip Plumber you have lost my business. All you dems out listen up do you understand about listen up. Joe asked a question, the answer was not what any liberial wanted to hear. Obama spoke truth and now that witch congresswoman McCaskill and all other dems are saying, what Obama was talking anout, how the f123 do they know what he was thinking or saying, Obama said it and he let the cat out of the bag. Dems are saying we will be in charge and free speech will be out the window and all on welfare will continue to get a free home and more tax free money. I myself will quit work and make more on welfare. HE ASKED A QUESTION AND THE ANSWER IS NOT WHAT YOU WANTED TOO HEAR. Obama and all dems are LIARS & THIEVES. HERE ME ROAR HARRY NANCY.


    BUZZLYTYEAR wrote on October 20, 2008 04:45 PM: ALICIA, YOUR IGNORANCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.
    JACK, YOU HAVE INHALED TOO MUCH SEWER GAS.


    BB wrote on October 20, 2008 02:20 PM: Eli, Obama takled to Joe in Joe's front yard. I didn't know that Obama held rallies in people's front yard.


    Alicia wrote on October 20, 2008 12:28 PM: The whole Joe-the-plumber thing is ridiculous. Another rightwing skinhead who thinks he's the only guy who ever did an honest day's work in the history of the world, and feels persecuted for it. He gets to meet a presidential candidate and all he's got on his mind is the 3% over $250K. No questions about whether Obama or McCain is going to send his employees off to die some fire fight over oil in Iran, not questions about about whether the new president intends to continue ruling like a fascist dictator, no question about anything that doesn't have to do with his own gullet.


    Eli wrote on October 20, 2008 11:56 AM: BB wrote "Jack the Plumber, Obama went looking for Joe the Plumber. When he found out that Joe didn’t agree with him, Obama then set out to destroy Joe. "

    Obama didn't look for him. He came to an Obama rally to disagree with Obama. And it was McCain, not Obama, who sought him and invoked his name repeatedly at the debate. Once McCain made him his media darling, the press naturally took a look to see what the guy was about. McCain should have vetted him a bit (sound familiar?) before putting him in the public eye. It's not Obama's fault that the guy falsely claims to be a union member on his Facebook page or that he's working without a license and without training, and as it turns out, that he doesn't have anything saved toward "buying the business" in the first place. McCain simply needs to check out his shills more carefully in the first place.

    To top it off, Obama's tax plan would actually result in a decrease in taxes for this theoretical business...


    really wrote on October 20, 2008 11:45 AM: Wow Jack!! All this because Joe the plumber asked a question that Obama stuck his foot in his mouth and now you want to destroy and belittle the man. You and the left wing media should really be proud of yourselves. Maybe you should listen closely to what Obama is saying and you will learn a lot....So quit looking at the golden spoon.


    Rick wrote on October 20, 2008 09:28 AM: Listen Jack..

    We do not need the government to "spread the wealth around" with our tax dollars. The more successful my business is the more employees I will hire so they will have the self respect of earning for their family. Remember to teach a man to fish and he will never go hungry.

    Last year I helped a family of 7 which included the grandmother who is in her 80's and bought the a new Hybrid Minivan ( $48K )

    I am also helping to send a Cancer surviving child by paying half of their High School Education ( $5 K a year for 4 years. )

    I also tithe to my church.

    If you would like the government to redistribute the wealth then send them additional tax's each year and don't depreciate your business expenses.

    Rick

    Not a plumber either but a very proud

    IronWorker



    Ted in Vegas wrote on October 20, 2008 09:24 AM: Jack the Plumber misses the point: the additional tax will keep Joe the Plumber from highering more staff. Add in a half-million or more in the similar position and there's a whole of people who won't be getting jobs.

    The means fewer taxpayers and more welfare recipients.

    Joe the Plumber didn't want so much to keep for himself but wanted to expand his business. Expanding businesses creates more jobs.

    He was trying to point out to Barack 'the moron' D'ohBama that his tax plan will kill jobs and further hurt our economy.

    Bad businessmen like Jack the Plumber only adds to the problem.


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