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Domestic partners in Nevada see hope

Lawmakers may let couples register partnerships

Holly Carratelli has been with her partner since 1994. They have two small children. They spend their days getting the kids to school and picking them up, making sure they do their homework, taking them to gymnastics and Cub Scouts.

But Holly and Susan Carratelli also spend more time than the average couple worrying what would happen if one of them were to die or leave, dark thoughts that don't haunt your average happy household.


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  • "We have easily spent $10,000 on attorney's fees to define our relationship," said Holly Carratelli, a native Las Vegan who owns a medical billing business.

    "We've gone through so much legal paperwork to secure our rights and our family's well-being. But still, if I died, I don't know if the coroner would give her information or release my body to her. It's awful to have to wonder what would happen to our kids. She has legal guardianship, but it's null and void upon my death."

    The Carratellis are among the many gay couples anxiously watching the legislative debate on domestic partnerships. Last week, the state Senate approved a bill that would allow Nevadans, gay and straight alike, to register their partnerships with the state and be afforded most of the same rights and responsibilities the state gives to spouses.

    Opponents argue that the bill would allow same-sex marriages in all but name.

    They say the state constitution defines marriage as between a man and a woman. By creating a marriagelike institution for people of the same sex, the domestic partnership bill would subvert the will of voters who approved the marriage amendment in 2000 and 2002.

    "Just because you say something isn't something else doesn't mean that it isn't," said Richard Ziser, chairman of the "values voters" group Nevada Concerned Citizens and the driving force behind the constitutional amendment.

    Creating an institution that is functionally the same as marriage but called something else is still redefining marriage, Ziser said, drawing an analogy.

    "Slavery is illegal, but maybe because the economy's so bad you want to create something called 'economic recovery laborers' and bring people from overseas to work for free. That's slavery. You can't just change the term."

    The American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada, which supports the domestic partnership bill, disagrees.

    "Overall, this is a huge step in recognizing the equal rights and equal dignity of every person in Nevada, but what it won't do is replicate marriage," said ACLU attorney Lee Rowland. "That can't be done in Nevada."

    Under the proposed legislation, those wishing to form domestic partnerships would register with the secretary of state's office.

    The bill, Senate Bill 283, states, "Domestic partners have the same rights, protections and benefits, and are subject to the same responsibilities, obligations and duties under law ... as are granted to and imposed upon spouses."

    That would mean, for example, that one partner couldn't be forced to testify in court against the other; when a partner died, the other would automatically receive their personal effects. Partners would be responsible for each other's debts and would divide their property, in the event of a separation, the same way divorcing couples do.

    Employers, whether public or private, would not be required to offer the same benefits to domestic partners that they do to spouses. That would remain up to the employers, as is the case now.

    Some governments and companies, such as Harrah's and the city of Las Vegas, offer such benefits; others, such as the state's higher education system, do not.

    In addition, the hundreds of federal rights that come with marriage wouldn't come with domestic partnership registration. Partners couldn't file joint federal tax returns, but neither can couples in states that allow gay marriage.

    None of the rights partners would be granted in Nevada would extend across the state's borders.

    "It's definitely a second-class (arrangement); it's definitely not marriage," said Nicole Harvey, a Sparks attorney who married her partner in California last year but relies on a thick stack of legal papers to define their relationship in Nevada.

    "It would create a registry and make it so you don't have to draw up all these separate contracts for things like powers of attorney and authorizations for burial. But it's not marriage. I wish it was. I don't want a domestic partner; I want a spouse."

    Proponents of Question 2, the Nevada marriage amendment, touted its simplicity as part of its appeal. It was only 18 words long: "Only a marriage between a male and female person shall be recognized and given effect in this state."

    Ziser and others argued at the time that the amendment was needed so that if other states legalized gay marriages, Nevada wouldn't recognize them.

    In coming out in favor of the amendment, the state's Catholic bishops said it "would best preserve the definition of marriage held by the Catholic Church," but added that they might support legislation giving rights to those in same-sex unions.

    "Marriage carries a religious connotation: You did it in the eyes of God, in a wedding," Holly Carratelli said. "Going to the secretary of state's office to declare you're living together -- there's nothing in the Bible about that. There's nothing very pretty about it."

    The Legislative Counsel Bureau issued an opinion last week that the partnership bill wouldn't violate the constitutional amendment. The amendment "refers only to marriages; it does not refer to domestic partnerships, civil unions, reciprocal beneficiary agreements or anything else that might be said to be 'marriage-like' but not, in fact, a marriage," the opinion states.

    "If the proponents of the ballot question ... had intended for the provisions thereof to apply not just to marriages, per se, but also to other 'marriage-like' social or contractual unions -- they could easily have so provided. But they did not do so," according to the counsel bureau opinion.

    Nevada would become the 10th state to grant status to domestic partnerships or civil unions. Twenty-nine states have constitutional amendments banning gay marriage; but some of them, such as Oregon and California, allow domestic partnerships at the same time.

    Nevada's debate over partnerships comes at a time when gay marriage is in the national spotlight. In recent weeks, the Iowa Supreme Court and the Vermont legislature legalized gay marriage in those states, while the Miss USA runner-up from California caused controversy at the contest in Las Vegas when she opined that only "opposite marriage" should be allowed.

    The National Organization for Marriage, a nonprofit group that backed last year's successful initiative to ban gay marriage in California, this month began airing an ad, "Gathering Storm," featuring actors describing the threat posed by same-sex marriage.

    But the group's activism is confined to protecting "marriage as the union of a husband and wife," as its Web site puts it. Asked whether the group is concerned about domestic partnerships, its executive director, Brian Brown, said last week, "Our organization's sole focus is on the marriage issue and protecting marriage."

    Chris Edelson, state legislative director for the Human Rights Campaign based in Washington, D.C., said groups like that one are relying on "scare tactics" at a time when the momentum favors gay marriage.

    "It's been happening for five years in Massachusetts, and the world didn't come to an end," he said.

    "Predictions were made that it would end traditional marriage, and that didn't happen. People have important things to be concerned about, like the economy, and they're not as worried about gay and lesbian couples getting married."

    Republicans such as John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, have come out in favor of gay marriage recently, while the Republican governor of Utah, Jon Huntsman, supports civil unions for same-sex couples. Huntsman also is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    In light of such developments, "I don't think it's as much of a partisan issue recently," Edelson said. "People are realizing that gay and lesbian couples want the same things as straight couples: to live their lives quietly and protect their families."

    Ziser, of Nevada Concerned Citizens, said people can create whatever kind of partnership they want through legal contracts. That doesn't mean the state should officially recognize their relationships as a category.

    "It's based on the moral argument that the state recognizing those relationships, something similar to marriage, between people of the same sex, is giving state-authorized moral equivalence to a homosexual relationship versus a heterosexual relationship," Ziser said. "It ends up being used to violate the religious liberties of what we believe to be a majority of Americans, who believe there's a moral, religious definition of marriage."

    The Nevada bill passed the state Senate last week by a 12-9 vote that wasn't quite party-line. Two Democrats voted against it, while two Republicans voted for it.

    The next step is for it to be heard in the Assembly, where no hearing has yet been scheduled. If it passes, it would go to Gov. Jim Gibbons, who has said he would veto it.

    Gibbons spokesman Daniel Burns said last week that the governor's objection to the bill is on libertarian grounds.

    "His position is pretty simple," Burns said. "He does not believe government should be involved in people's medicine cabinets or their bedrooms; therefore he does not support the legislation."

    If the bill came before Gibbons today, he would veto it, but he is still willing to listen to others' views, Burns said.

    The bill's sponsor, state Sen. David Parks, is the first and only openly gay Nevada legislator. Parks, D-Las Vegas, hopes that if Gibbons vetoes the bill, the Legislature could override the veto. That would take 14 votes in the state Senate, 28 in the Assembly.

    For Holly Carratelli, it's an exciting possibility. The 47-year-old is the biological parent of the two children and took her partner's last name so the family would all have the same name.

    In 2007, Carratelli, diagnosed with renal cancer, underwent surgery to have a kidney removed. Before she checked in for the procedure, she and her partner went to a lawyer to have medical powers of attorney assigned.

    "Fortunately, the hospital honored it," she said. "But most people just have to show their wedding rings."

    Contact reporter Molly Ball at mball @reviewjournal.com or 702-387-2919.

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    No Man's Land wrote on May 01, 2009 10:35 PM: @Atwood: Let's exclude Perez Hilton; let him rot in Hell.


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    Thomas Atwood wrote on April 30, 2009 08:19 PM: Acceptance of social equality for gay couples is a result of more and more Christians understanding the true Biblical interpretation of homosexuality. Any reference in the Bible that rejects homosexuality is directed at specific individuals who turned their backs on their faith, and not at a class of people as a whole.

    Religious hypocrites and false prophets who choose to practice selective Christianity are reduced to using fallacies for arguments. For example, Richard Ziser presented the analogy of slavery in his condemnation of homosexual couples. But the Bible actually condones slavery for economic reasons and declares indentured servitude an honorable way to pay off a debt. The Bible demands that the debtor fulfill his obligation and the trustee treat his debtor with fairness and dignity, then free the individual once the debt is paid off.

    Fairness, dignity, humility, tolerance, love, acceptance – these are the true Christian values. The duty of a good Christian is not to play God, but rather to walk in the footsteps of Our Savior Jesus Christ.


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    Christine wrote on April 29, 2009 01:28 PM: They midas as well pass this before some gay couple just files a law suit here and overturns the constitution anyway. If you fight peoples rights every step of the way it will be alot worse in the long run.


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    Craig wrote on April 28, 2009 03:12 PM: I have to say I was very much against gay marriage. I have to say reading this article and how my bishop said there is nothing pretty about it. Wow it really is demeaning to be a gay. And for what? Because other people just don't like it. I'm not a big fan of gays myself but I really don't care what people do in their own house. I'm sorry now that I voted against gay marriage and I think this does make them second class citizens. I think this should be turned down and they should just let them get married.


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    Al wrote on April 27, 2009 09:47 PM: To Independent American,

    First off, voting on any issue in Nevada does not cost Nevada tax payer anything, since Nevada does not have a state tax.

    Now, there are three views on the marriage as a state matter and religion matter.

    First, keep marriage between a man and a woman to preserve the sanctity of marriage. Well this sells to social and religious conservatives. But its constitutionality is questionable, since it violates the equal protection under the law, as well as the separation of church and state. Quite frankly, I do not understand it when a politition says that it opposes his/her beliefs. Weren't they supposed to check their beliefs in when they took their oath of office?

    Second argument is let them all marry, gays and straights. Even all the way up to any two consenting adults. This argument sells well to the liberals, and quite frankly is going to be the winning argument sooner or later (since the constitutions -state or federal- are based on liberal ideologies). It is quite fathomable that in the near future many states would legalize same gender marriages (civil marriages) by the court or legislative actions and even popular votes (I think California is going to be the first one to do it by the vote of the people in less than a decade).

    Now the third argument, which is a libertarian one, says well let the government not recognize any marriages. This solves the religious opposition, since anybody can sign a contract at their county clerk and get the benefits or having a contract on state related issues, and then latter in the day go to the church which would officiate their marriages/unions/holy bonds, whatever. It would solve the equal protection under the law issue and separation of church and state.

    So, take your pick!


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    VegasNative wrote on April 27, 2009 02:31 PM: To independent american and all others:

    Since when has sexuality become a religion? Tell me is hetero & homosexuality mono or polytheistic? Or in laymins terms can you honestly say someones sexual abide has faith in a god or in the gods?

    This is the 2nd generation civil rights movement that will definitely be in the history books. You will be cast down in history as a leader/supporter of this movement, like MLK, or the blockhead who stood by with a finger in their nose. Nationwide legalization of GAY MARRIAGE is going to happen one way or another, so stop stalling and do something substantial that will actually go down in history.
    Thank you for supporting and voting and fighting for the Nevada Senate Bill 283.


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    B.G.Sanford wrote on April 27, 2009 11:02 AM: Excellent article. The VOW program engaged couples are sometimes exposed to is most helpful in dealing with marriage problems prior to racing to the divorce court.
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    observer wrote on April 26, 2009 09:49 PM: To Independent American.

    I do not agree with your statements, but have to acknowledge that your argument is both intelligent and well written. Note to editor. Please hire IA.


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    Independent American wrote on April 26, 2009 08:33 PM: Ben,

    I oppose it and all marriage licenses etc. because it would and does cost me money. Just voting on it cost the Nevada tax payer.

    I support contracts that are made between people. As long as the contract costs me nothing.

    Gay rights is nothing but a religion brought forth to fight other religions. Marxism to Mormonism Catholic to Cathouses. We are not to have established religions but we do. Government education and the "Sacred trust" of socialist Security.

    If we just stopped forcing our religion on others and others stopped forcing their religion on us we would be fine.

    But the Gays want me to eat Strawberry Ice Cream and the Christians want me to only eat vanilla Ice Cream and I don't even like ice cream.

    If it cost me and I don't benefit then I don't want it. I want no one to pay for my marriage or contract. I don't want to get a license to contract. Get the government out of our lives and pocketbooks.

    Until then we will continue to pay for other people's faith. Faith that a civil union will change the hate people have for Gays. Faith that when all the Gays are killed Christ can return. SSDD.

    You can tell it is a religion when it cost you money and you get "hope."

    Like Obama, Chains we can hope for.


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    Patrick wrote on April 26, 2009 07:32 PM: "K" I am back. I new my blog would get a little reaction out of you. As far as my spelling I could care less on these blogs if my spelling is correct so your arguement is mute there. Calm down and argue your point with facts not emotion. First of all I am not religious, I am conservative. I don't attend church in fact. When a person results to insults and name calling, which your blog was all about tends to mean that you cannot argue your point. You were actually wishing me dead!! What is that all about. Why can't I offer a different point than you? What a little person you are.

    You bring up the muslim religion. Haven't you ever wonder why islamic countries tend to fear Western lifestyle? It is because they think we are morally corrupt. Does it mean what they do is correct, no, but you have to respect their beliefs when it comes down to the basics of Islam. Most people don't know that Islam granted women more rights way before Christianity. If you feel so strongly about gay marriage, should we go to war for it? What about legalizing alcohol for all muslim countries? I could go on, heck let's legalize all drugs here.

    K you note that my statement was "If I believe". Note the "if". In my debate I offered why a person and society may think gay marriage is wrong. Instead of countering with anything profound you wished ill towards meand assumed many untrue things about me.

    Something this country needs to remember, that we are allowed to be in disagreement with one another and people should disagree.

    I wish you well "K"


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