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CLARIFICATION -- 05/03/07 -- A Wednesday Review-Journal story on a proposal to deputize and arm university system employees should have stated that people with written permission from a college or university president can carry a gun on campus. But the police chiefs at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and the Community College of Southern Nevada said they recommended to their college presidents not to grant such permission.

Arm workers, regent proposes

University employees could respond to attacks, official says

A university system regent is proposing arming and deputizing employees within the higher education system so they could respond with force should a Virginia Tech-like incident occur on a campus.

Regent Stavros Anthony, a Las Vegas police captain, said he will propose to regents in June allowing any employee, "whether it's the president, a faculty member (or) the maintenance guy," to become reserve police officers within their respective police departments.


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  • "From my standpoint, I see this as kind of a win-win," Anthony said. "You're allowing institution employees to step up to the plate and say, 'I'm for standing up and defending our institution.'"

    The proposal is receiving support from leaders within the Nevada System of Higher Education. Chancellor Jim Rogers endorsed the proposal, and Anthony said University of Nevada, Las Vegas Police Chief Jose Elique was enthusiastic about it.

    Anthony, chairman of the regents' Cultural Diversity and Security Committee, said he would add an agenda item at the next Board of Regents' meeting that would require the institutions to devise plans to allow employees to get Peace Officers' Standards and Training certification.

    The training is the same that every police officer in the state receives, and graduates of the program would be able, in plain clothes, to carry a firearm and make arrests.

    Anthony said the reserve officers would not carry radios and respond to typical incidents on campus. Rather, they would respond only to incidents they see.

    State law prohibits anyone other than a police officer from carrying a gun on university system property.

    Anthony said he will ask each of the system's police departments to present plans on how they would handle a Virginia Tech-like incident on their respective campuses.

    The proposal to give employees police powers, he said, is a reaction to last month's shootings at Virginia Tech, in which a gunman killed 32 people.

    "One of the problems with these mass shootings is that nobody else has a weapon to defend themselves," Anthony said. "If they (gunmen) know there are folks around trained to use a firearm and can defend themselves, maybe they'll think twice before coming on campus."

    The proposal goes a step further than that of state Sen. Bob Beers, who proposed arming school district teachers by requiring they seek weapons training.

    Beers' bill was killed by a Senate committee last month.

    Anthony said he did not think Beers' bill gave teachers appropriate weapons training.

    POST-certified training is more rigorous and lasts between 3 1/2 and 5 1/2 months, said Community College of Southern Nevada police Chief Sandy Seda.

    Prospective reserve officers would have to pass background checks and psychological exams like other officers and undergo annual training, he said.

    Seda is executive director of the Southern Desert Regional Police Academy, which trains local university police and officers from the Henderson and North Las Vegas police departments.

    He said he would not have an opinion on the proposal until he knew more details, but he said it could become an effective program.

    Drawing up a curriculum for the reserve officers would be easy, Seda said, and the costs could be relatively low.

    He estimated tuition for the program would run between $1,200 and $1,500 per person, and the gun and equipment would add another $1,000 per person.

    Rogers said he thought the university system should pay for employee training.

    "I think it's the system's investment to take care of the safety of the people on campus," Rogers said.

    Though Anthony and Rogers said the proposal would bring reserve officers onto campus without having to pay for additional officers, faculty leaders at UNLV and CCSN were surprised and less than enthusiastic.

    "I think most of my faculty would like to come and teach, and I feel that CCSN administration does enough to keep the campus safe," CCSN Faculty Senate Chairman Alok Pandey said. "I do not think it should come to the point where we need to protect ourselves. We just want to teach."

    Pandey's counterpart at UNLV, Bryan Spangelo, said he did not know of any faculty who would want to participate in the program.

    "I did talk to a couple of my colleagues, and they had quite a reaction to it, to the negative," Spangelo said. "We view the campus as being a place that's a little different, that we're here for the betterment of mankind, for the higher things in life, and not worrying about things like this."

    He said he realized the potential threat of people wishing to do harm to people on campus but suggested the money be spent on more police officers instead of training faculty and staff.

    Having faculty double as reserve officers would change the relationship between the student and the professor, Pandey said.

    "Will they (students) be able to come and open up to us, if they know this person also has a law enforcement responsibility?" Pandey said. "I want my students to come to me and talk to me as a student and teacher, and not as a student and a police officer."

    Regent Steve Sisolak said he respected Anthony's position but said arming faculty "opens up a whole can of worms."

    "I think we definitely need to address safety issues," Sisolak said. "But we don't want a militia on campus."

    Anthony said that he predicts there will be resistance to the idea by some people but that he looks forward to an open discussion on the issue in June.

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    John O'Neill wrote on May 02, 2007 10:09 PM: Regent Stavros Anthony is the definition of the word idiot.

    I do not want people with guns all of our university.

    I want trained law enforcement professionals whose job it is to train with these weapons.

    We all want a campus where people can attend school without fear of "friendly fire".

    Get a life.


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    Don Calley wrote on May 02, 2007 03:31 PM: Great, lets get more guns in our schools. What about stopping the cause for these shootings? Gerardo's interview Bobby Kennedy's son, Douglas, pointed the finger back at ourselves. Our help in the form of our mental health system not only cannot handle the problem, they are causing more shootings to occur. We need our Dept of Education to quit supporting mental health clinics, the Center for Health and Learning in Vegas run by ex-board of education members, and get back to teaching the 3 R's. Somehow we have turned our schools into clinics where we dole out drugs instead of emphasizing education. We are more concerned about how the kids feel than how they perform.
    While China’s 15 year plan is to pour billions into its universities to create world-class education and research centers, we continue to pour billions into the “mental health” of our students creating more school massacres, as Douglas Kennedy’s stated on Fox earlier. Either we pull the clinics out of our schools or we should move the Dept of Education into the Dept of Health. We can take the money we save and supply guns to arm our students for protection.


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    Neal wrote on May 02, 2007 02:49 PM: Maybe the faculty could also use their guns to wake up the students during lectures or shoot them if they try to sneak out.


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    P Paddack wrote on May 02, 2007 01:50 PM: Honestly, I have to think there is a better solution then allowing students to carry concealed weapons. Hmm it's that what the student at Virginia was doing? Oh, you must mean that it wouldn't be allowed for anyone that was acting oddly. Don’t you think the chances of injury would be greater, when opening the door for more guns to enter the schools? You have got to be joking. I would rather be protected by those trained extensively in and outside of the classroom in real situations, then another student or someone with a handful of training in the classroom.


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    John J. Amsler wrote on May 02, 2007 01:25 PM: 070502
    1302 PDT

    To whomever "John" is who wrote
    the commentary to "the hand-wringing
    professors," two things:

    1) Great first name!

    2) People are going to think that I
    wrote that. I actually didn't but for
    "the record," I agree with it 100%!

    To Alok Pandey (who is a colleague
    of mine), also two things:

    1) "... I feel that CCSN administration
    does enough to keep the campus safe."
    Certainly the current administration
    does *far* more than previous administra-
    tions (and should rightly be praised for
    its efforts) but by no means does it
    [or *can* it] do "enough." Empirical
    evidence: the lady who was surrounded by
    five punk thugs who, despite her *not*
    resisting their "demands" for her purse,
    was stabbed on the Cheyenne campus during
    the winter/spring semester break -- in
    broad daylight. Was that "enough" safety?
    /* Note: the victim in question told a
    C.A.T. bus driver who in turn told me. */

    2) "We just want to teach." That's what
    all of us want to do. In fact, that's
    certainly what the professors and adjuncts
    at Virginia Tech wanted as well ... but
    "just wanting to teach" was demonstrably
    insufficient; otherwise they might still
    be around to respond to your statements
    themselves.

    - John Amsler
    johnjamsler@hotmail.com


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    Buck OSborne wrote on May 02, 2007 11:54 AM: I totally agree, on top of that we have been tought to be passive, not enguage in a challenge. We need to start training our people to respond with equal or greater force. This would eliminate the threat earlier and save lives. Society in general looks down in a person who chooses to carry concealed, the truth of the matter is, if someone is carring when an attack occurs, you will be calling that same person a hero...


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    cynthia delatorre wrote on May 02, 2007 10:06 AM: Anthony has a great idea for those who want to participate, obviously it has to be those who do it voluntarily- and there will be those. Then there are those who already feel safe and who just want to teach- there will be those, and all are entitled. However, those who disagree with Anthony's method and who think we should spend the money on more officers, who would not be on campus, or better yet in a classroom-first to respond, should think about how long it took the Virginia Tech shooter to take the lives of students and professors - 9 minutes.


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    Jeffery West wrote on May 02, 2007 09:34 AM: Let's face the facts, today there are dangerous people in our schools and universities.

    It's unprecedented in modern times, but we have to deal with the situation as it is and not as we wish it were.

    Too many mass murders at schools across the nation have put an explanation mark on that fact.

    The Regent has a very responsible proposal and it should be adopted. Resposible people should be able to respond with force when an entire student body is being massacred.

    An public institution that will not protect it's students and faculty from an obvious extreme danger does not deserve public funding or attendance.

    There should be an established number of trained armed personnel on campus at any given time who able to respond to a crisis like the mass murder at Virginia Tech and other fairly recent massacres.


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    K Watson wrote on May 02, 2007 09:18 AM: I agree with arming more citizens/teachers. It's time we quit teaching society that "guns are bad" because with guns in the hands of just criminals, more of these incidents will occur. A gun in the hands of some staff members at VT, may have saved some innocent lives, by taking out the shooter.


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    Brendan Perez wrote on May 02, 2007 08:32 AM: Even cheaper, less dangerous, and more effective, would be allowing students who hold concealed weapons permits to carry if they desire.

    No need to shell out $2500 or more dollars for a reserve police officer who probably not be anywhere near something terrible when it happens.

    The police at VTI were a combination of A.)being STUCK outside due to the chains that lunatic placed on the doors and B.)hiding out until they could all storm the place together.

    If just 1% of the campus,~260 students, had been armed, that might have placed on student in every three classrooms with a gun. This dramatically changes the odds that the scumbag would have been able to carry out his massacre the way he did.

    The numerous, unnecessarily duplicative, police departments are not neutral in this.

    They want things done their way with more funding come to them for employees. and equipment. More employees means more clout with unions, and more equipment is always nice.

    What they don't want is students defending themselves. This would run the risk of making armed patrolling police officers completely irrelevant to actually stopping crime, and finish the complete transformation of them into their primary role; that of criminal historian.

    Police officers opposing person self defense is like doctors opposing person first aid and the carrying of first aid kits or firefighters opposing the possession of fire extinguishers and fire hoses in buildings-it would be pure self interest.


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