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City proposal would limit park use

Civil liberties advocates decry age limits at playgrounds

Hey you, creepy potential child predator. Back away from the tot lot.

Same goes for you, 13-year-old who wants to play on the monkey bars.


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  • The city is looking to limit how close those older than 12 can get to playground equipment in city parks, sparking yet another feud with civil liberties activists.

    The proposed ordinance would make it a misdemeanor for those in their teens and older to "enter and remain" within 100 feet of children's play equipment.

    Exceptions do apply.

    Anyone who is a parent, guardian or supervisor of a wee one in the playground is exempt.

    Also exempt are those playing or watching athletics on a nearby field or court.

    Chief Karen Coyne, director of Detention and Enforcement, said an adult is allowed to stand at the edge of a playground, within arms' reach of children.

    "This is a buffer to protect our children," she said.

    The American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada would beg to differ.

    "It's pretty ludicrous. This is obviously in the same vein as other city attempts to restrict access to park space," said staff attorney Lee Rowland.

    Rowland said the law is unconstitutionally vague and would lead to selective enforcement by Las Vegas police.

    Legal issues aside, what about those who never outgrew their love for the seesaw?

    "From a common-sense point of view, it's shocking that government would make it so anyone 13 or 18 or above 18 can't lawfully enjoy themselves on a piece of playground equipment," Rowland said. "I still enjoy swing sets. Now it's a misdemeanor for me to take a swing? I find that offensive."

    City marshals have the discretion to warn, cite or arrest offenders, according to a city statement.

    Rowland said the 100-foot bubble around children's play equipment would remove from use large parts of many of the smaller parks.

    The city has struggled to figure out how to reopen Huntridge Circle Park, which has been closed since November, when one homeless man stabbed another one there.

    Coyne said the goal of the ordinance is to protect children.

    "This is aimed at ... giving protection for our children as they carefreely play in the city," Coyne said.

    Those older than 12 are already prohibited from playing in areas that have been designated as children's parks.

    This isn't the first trip to the constitutional rodeo for either the city or the ACLU.

    The ACLU has successfully fought city restrictions on passing out materials at the Fremont Street Experience.

    It won a ruling that declared a city ordinance banning feeding the homeless in parks unconstitutional, and it is challenging a city requirement for permits for park gatherings of 25 people or more.

    In the past, the city has argued that officers use their discretion when it comes to enforcing ordinances. Police don't normally pull over someone for going 1 mph over the speed limit.

    But Rowland said City Council members should be responsible for crafting constitutional ordinances.

    "It's not up to police to take unconstitutional laws and apply them constitutionally," Rowland said.

    The ordinance is only in draft form. It will go to the Recommending Committee on June 5, before the committee decides whether to make changes or forward it to the City Council.

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    Amanda wrote on May 25, 2007 05:38 PM: "It does'nt say that you can't actually enjoy yourself at a public park. They are merely saying that they are limiting the distance of how close ADULTS OR OLDER CHILDREN can get to (THE CHILDRENS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT)."

    Oh, right, because a thirteen-year-old playing on a swing set is such a danger to a twelve-year-old playing next to him.


    chris norris wrote on May 25, 2007 09:29 AM: I go to the park to exercise my doggies, if I get a accused of being a child molester I promise you this " there is not enough money in Clark County to cover the civile law suite I put on Clark County".


    Sarasa wrote on May 22, 2007 06:22 PM: Hmmm, maybe PARENTS should PARENT instead of talking on their phones and then no one would "bother" their precious children.

    A note to "Mike"..."Sam" has just as every right to take a turn on the swings as your brats do. So don't lecture him and make him sound like some horrible villain. Pay attention to your children and mind your own business!


    Elly wrote on May 22, 2007 09:32 AM: This is all shades of wrong. But what I find REALLY unreasonable about the whole thing is the fact that teens won't be able play on the playground equipment. It's like, geez, LET a 16-year-old have a swing and hang around with their friends on the bench or whatever. What harm is there in that?

    Yes, let's all propose regulations a la 'The Giver' where people past a certain age has to give up every single bit of their childhood. You just had your 13th birthday? Congratulations, you're getting arrested if you come within 100 ft. of those swings you were happily playing on yesterday.

    So sick and cruel.


    Edward wrote on May 22, 2007 12:43 AM: What is the name of the person who started this legislation?
    Someone must take responsibility for their actions.


    Doggie DOO wrote on May 21, 2007 11:52 PM: LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE......I'M A PARENT OF TWO TODDLERS AND THE OLDER KIDS AT THE PARK DON'T BOTHER ME...IN FACT THEY USUALLY STAY OUT OF THE WAY AND AVOID THE TODDLERS...I DON'T LIKE THE FOOLS THAT BRING THEIR DOGS AROUND THE PLAY GROUND EQUIPMENT, THEY WALK RIGHT PAST THE NO DOGS ALLOWED SIGNS AND LET THIER PETS PISS ALL OVER THE PLACES MY TODDLERS HANDS ARE....GIVE THEM THE FINE....PIONEER PARK AND A FEW OTHERS THAT DON'T HAVE DOG PARKS ARE NOT THE PLACE FOR YOUR PET....I HAVE A DOG AND I WALK HIM AT THE DOG PARK NOT AROUND TODDLERS....WAKE UP PEOPLE YOU CAN'T KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE PARKS AND ALL THE OVER PAID PARKS PEOPLE DO IS DRIVE AROUND AND ACT LIKE THEY ARE BUSY, I EVEN CAUGHT A PARKS AND REC GUY HOLDING A CONVERSATION WITH A LADY AS HER DOG WAS PISSING RIGHT ON THE EQUIPMENT NEXT TO THE NO DOGS ALLOWED SIGN...WORRY ABOUT THE BRAIN DEAD PEOPLE THAT FEEL THEIR PET IS TO GOOD FOR THE DOG PARK AND THEY NEED TO BRING THEM TO THE KIDS PARK...FINE THOSE PEOPLE....THIS TOWN IS A JOKE...


    Richard wrote on May 21, 2007 09:10 PM: I just wish people would take the time to read carefully! It does'nt say that you can't actually enjoy yourself at a public park. They are merely saying that they are limiting the distance of how close ADULTS OR OLDER CHILDREN can get to (THE CHILDRENS PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT). What would it take for you to protect our children?? How many times have you actually paid attention to how many CHILDREN MISSING POSTERS are up at the last time you were at Wal-Mart? These child predators are laughing because we bicker at these laws. Don't forget the laws are aimed to protect us and our children. There are much more than a hand full of sex offenders here in Nevada and then you have offenders passing through from state to state. We must draw the line to let them know we will not tolerate these crimes. And those of you complaining about the law buy your own damn swing set....You bought a computer did'nt you?


    Emily wrote on May 21, 2007 09:08 PM: I find this incredably amusing. As a teenager myself , I understand what parents are talking about when some punk starts bullying their kid for fun. But we're not all like that. Not all teenagers are doped up jerks who are all against "the man" or whatever adults seem to think is wrong with us.
    As for restricting use of public parks because of pedophiles, maybe you parents should pay attention to your kids. More than once I've caught a child who has almost fallen and been seriously injured, then beaten back by some freaked out half wit on their cell phone who thinks I'm abducting their kid. I'm 17 , I'm interested in stealing your little precious.
    And another thing , aren't officials always preaching at us to go out and get some excercise? I'd rather jog in a park than in my garage or on the streets. It's healthier and safer to jog in parks , and there's more motivation.
    Anyway , I think this whole idea is silly and can be easily solved in one step: GET OFF THE PHONE AND WATCH YOUR KIDS, better yet INTERACT WITH THEM TOO!!!! and people wonder why teenagers these days are so messed up. Maybe it's because of this overprotective babying everyone seems to be spoon feeding us.


    Concerned mom wrote on May 21, 2007 07:52 PM: I have a few questions: DO YOU REALLY THINK A CHILD PREDATOR CARES ABOUT A CITY ORDINANCE. WHAT WE NEED IS RESPONSIBLE PARENTS. NOT ONLY FOR OUR OWN KIDS BUT SOMEONE ELSE'S KIDS. I LOVE PLAYING WITH MY SON AT THE PARK, AND I HAVE SEEN A FEW PEOPLE THAT APPEAR SUSPICIOUS BUT AT THE SAME TIME MORE LAWS, MORE FRUSTRATION. Secondly, before we worry about the actual park how about enforcing the speed limit more effectively. There are more accidents, and children getting hurt by hasty, speedy drivers, then anything else from what I see.
    Thank you
    Concerned
    Mom


    Tasha wrote on May 21, 2007 05:29 PM: If parents would actually WATCH there children instead of talking on cell phones or talking with other parents to the exclusion of everything else then this law would not be needed.
    Pay more attention to the little brats and they may not end up being victims of the drug dealers and child abuser that lurk and wait for you to turn your back. Its not everyone else's fault they were too stupid to be a real parent.


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