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TOWBIN HUMMER: Las Vegas faces flag fallout

Council's decision prompts outcry, forces city to respond

All politics might be local, but the response to Las Vegas City Council decisions is now international.

The council's vote last week to order a Hummer dealership to take down a 100-foot flag pole flying the Stars and Stripes has garnered attention across the country and overseas, inundating the city with e-mails and phone calls.


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  • Almost all the writers vehemently disagreed with the council's decision, and some declared boycotts on Las Vegas.

    "No more messing around with people who order flags removed. No more Vegas for me!" wrote Terrill Groetken, a Minnesota resident. "Our family reunion will have to be held elsewhere, Reno, Laughlin or at a Indian casino somewhere."

    A writer identifying himself as Art Wallace of Escondido Calif., wrote: "I just cancelled my reservations at New York-New York and I told them why. I don't want to stay in a city that will not let a business fly the USA flag. I find you all disgusting."

    The city had received more than 100 e-mail messages by Tuesday afternoon and scores of phone calls, all protesting the order that would have Towbin Hummer remove the flag and flagpole within 60 days.

    Some of those unhappy with the city's decision changed their minds after the city responded to their messages.

    "Have the good people of Las Vegas lost their collective minds?" asked Robert Paterniti in his first e-mail. He said he and his wife were canceling a fall vacation.

    But after the city wrote back with its side of the story, he responded: "See you in September."

    In its response, city officials stated their patriotic pride and love for the U.S. flag. The response also pointed out that some had said Towbin Hummer was exploiting the flag for commercial purposes because the dealership had not built a memorial as promised.

    Dan Towbin, owner of Towbin Hummer, said "95 to 98 percent" of the response he has gotten after speaking to Fox News, CNN and other national news outlets has been on his side.

    He hopes the council will back off its unanimous decision and allow him to keep his flag.

    "I think it was a decision that should be reversed," Towbin said.

    Las Vegas businesses can build flag poles 40-feet high, but need special approval to go taller.

    But Towbin said a 40-foot flag wouldn't work at the Hummer dealership.

    "The building's oversized, the sign's oversized, the cars are oversized. A 40-foot flag would not turn anybody's head to the flag," he said.

    Mayor Oscar Goodman, who made the motion last year to allow the flag to be 100 feet, said he wouldn't change his mind until the veterans memorial that Towbin had promised was built.

    "Get us a memorial, and then we can talk about a flag in excess of 40 feet," Goodman said.

    By Tuesday, the dealership had poured a small concrete pedestal at the base of the flag, and Towbin said a plaque to honor veterans was being engraved.

    The memorial was delayed because the council hadn't given final approval to the flag pole.

    But he said he is starting to build the memorial despite the flag pole's imminent doom "because the council made such a big deal about it."

    Councilwoman Lois Tarkanian, whose ward includes the car dealership on Sahara Avenue, between Decatur and Jones boulevards, said she hasn't heard anything to change her mind.

    When Towbin came before the council in May 2006, he agreed that if there were community protests about the flag, he would take it down.

    "Any agency or entity that makes a commitment to the city has to abide by those commitments," she said.

    Towbin questioned the motives of those who complained about the noise, and said community opposition was never proven at the City Council meeting.

    Tarkanian, like Goodman, said the decision was not about patriotism. She pointed to a city ordinance that forbids homeowner associations from preventing flags to be flown. She also said she offered to allow Towbin to have a 75-foot high flag, but was rebuffed by him.

    The city and residents who live near the dealership, say that the stories aired on Fox News and CNN don't present their side of the story.

    "We're getting beat up, from the news to talk radio. You name it," said Conita Jones, who lives near the flag and opposes it.

    On windy days she said she can hear the flag flap from her home, about 1,000 feet from the 30-by-60-foot flag.

    Jones opposed the flag because she said it would set a precedent for other car dealers along Sahara Avenue, a commercial strip that directly abuts homes.

    "There's not a person here that hates that flag," she said. "There's just a better place for it."

    Jones, a Vietnam Veteran, said there has been a contentious relationship between the dealership and the neighborhood. In the past, residents and dealerships in the area have dueled over test drives on neighborhood streets.

    "He's a great businessman. You have to admire that," Jones said. "But it's at the expense of the neighborhood."

    Towbin said at the council meeting May 16 that the city never contacted him for the six-month review. Letters from the city to Towbin indicate he was notified of the review in August.

    Gary Swanciger, one of the residents closest to the flag, said the flapping wakes him at night.

    "It's not fair to the neighborhood," he said.

    The flag was about selling cars, Swanciger said, not a public display of patriotism as Towbin maintains.

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    steve wrote on October 22, 2007 11:51 AM: Think yourselfs lucky you can fly the flag in your country at all. In the UK if you fly the Union Jack the chances are that you will be accused of inciting racial hatred and ordered to remove it or suffer the consequences!
    Some free country!!!


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    These Colors Don't Read wrote on July 16, 2007 08:35 PM: I'm more patriotic than you are!


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    Craig wrote on May 25, 2007 05:26 AM: Big Jack your comments are so "small". If this were a Mexican flag it would have NOT been approved in the first place. You are the racist, little man.


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    Big Jack wrote on May 24, 2007 05:20 PM: I bet if that were a Mexican flag, no one would dare say a critical word for fear of the Diversity Police:

    Boycott the racist, xenophobic haters at Towbin Hummer!


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    Old Muppet wrote on May 24, 2007 09:14 AM: People who fail to understand what patriotism means and fail to see through an obvious marketing gimmick probably should vacation elsewhere, maybe in a country where people get to stare at giant flags all the time, like North Korea.

    The dealership actually says, without blushing, that a 40 foot flag wouldn't be big enough. How big does an American flag have to be before someone feels proud of it? We can only hope they never build a memorial to add to the disgrace--imagine honoring our military with a plaque in front of a parking lot full of "Priced to MOVE" signs?

    Towbin and their supporters should think about honoring our military by electing representatives who treat the military with respect and good judgement instead of spilling their blood in corporate oil adventures and using them as props in political ads.




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    Pete wrote on May 24, 2007 02:26 AM: If this is truly about patriotism, build a true, visible memorial to the Veterans (not a minor pedestal with a minor plaque) and then request a variance to the flag pole rules. A truly visible memorial might compromise an area the size of two by four hummer size parking spots, not a postage stamp.


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    Old Muppet wrote on May 23, 2007 09:53 PM: Good grief! "Forces city to respond"! The kind of people who hold family reunions in Indian casinos "force" a city to respond?! The headline is absurd, and the facts get more embarrassing all the time. A 40-foot flag is too small? Are the "patriots" who love the flag less in love with it if it isn't big enough? Patriotic size-queens? The only thing more tasteless would be that proposed military memorial under it. That's how Vegas is supposed to celebrate and honor our military--with a plaque in front of a parking lot full of "Priced to MOVE! signs? Disgraceful. How about electing representatives who make sure military personnel are assigned the honorable work of protecting their country (like from--I dunno--the invasion of its real borders by armed drug cartels?) and not slaughtered to bolster corporate oil and energy interests? That could make an American proud.


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    John O'Neill wrote on May 23, 2007 07:54 PM: There is NOTHING patriotic about a Hummer or this flag.

    In fact, a hummer means you hate the USA because you are financing terrorism.


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    Sep wrote on May 23, 2007 04:01 PM: I think everyone should be allowed to choose which laws and ordinances they comply with.

    The statute says 40 feet? Too bad. The world revolves around me, so I'm making mine 200 feet.

    The law says don't drink and drive? Screw you. I'm gonna down a bottle of Jack, fire up my Hummer and go drag racing down the strip.




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    brian wrote on May 23, 2007 03:42 PM: Oh please give up the "liberal dems" bull. The fact that blood is being spilled by soldiers while Towbin gets rich using a flag as an advertising tool should outrage you people. The fact that some of you can't clearly see that fact is baffling to me.


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