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PERMIT PROCESSING COSTS: Off-roaders ticked off

BLM fees for annual trail ride go from $90 to nearly $5,500

On a balmy afternoon last week, a couple off-road enthusiasts did what they've done for decades on the rugged vehicle trails that twist through public land in Clark Country's back country: They took their Toyotas out for a free ride.

But for Michael Voegele and Steve Syzdek of the Southern Nevada Land Cruisers, fees charged by the Bureau of Land Management for their club's annual fall trail ride, the 30th Glitter Gulch Gambol, have risen so much that they canceled the event this year.


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"It's just mind-boggling. Why are they charging us $6,000 to process a permit? We're getting taxed twice," Voegele asked while driving Tuesday to the trail head and campground on the outskirts of Mesquite.

Not so, BLM officials say. Considerable effort is needed to process the group's request this year, and the cost is justified.

The permit has been a routine matter the past three years, costing the group $90 each time. This year, the increase is more than 60-fold, and the actual bill is $5,490.08.

Voegele and Syzdek don't understand the reasoning.

In an appeal letter dated July 5 to Patrick Putnam at the BLM's Las Vegas Field Office, Voegele said the decision to charge the group recovery costs for work by the BLM staff -- 86 hours by his calculations -- is "unfair and incorrect."

The men said they believe the BLM is inflating the amount of time spent processing the permit and its recovery costs estimate.

A decision on the appeal is expected Wednesday from an Interior Department lands panel.

Voegele said even though the event is not held for profit and doesn't draw concessionaires to sell T-shirts and souvenirs, the BLM, armed with its manual, has turned use of the public lands' trails from a virtually free adventure to what amounts to off-highway robbery.

"We find it incomprehensible that you are able to manipulate agency requirements to the point that citizens of the United States, desiring to drive in a group on public lands on existing roads, can be prevented from doing so by the imposition of impossible fees," Voegele wrote in the July 5 appeals letter.

Kirsten Cannon, a spokeswoman for the BLM's Las Vegas Field Office, said because of the appeal, bureau officials can't comment specifically on the Southern Nevada Land Cruisers case.

She noted, however, that this year the group's proposal covered four days of off-road activities instead of one as in the past. In addition, plans call for the 30 or so Land Cruisers to travel over five different routes instead of one.

As a result, she said, BLM recreation planner Lee Kirk and other staffers have spent more than 50 hours processing the permit application.

That's "bogus," Voegele said. The Land Cruisers group camped multiple nights last year, "and we have always been approved for multiple roads and trails," he wrote in an e-mail Thursday.

The permitting process involves reviews by specialists to ensure events will meet all environmental requirements for species habitat protection. Other reimbursements to the BLM for cost recovery will stem from having at least one law enforcement ranger or possibly more at the event to ensure the approved courses are used.

Under BLM's regulations published on Aug. 7, 2006, if it takes government staffers more than 50 hours to process a permit, the agency will charge for cost recovery.

Unlike in the past, until a memo was handed down from headquarters two years ago, permit processors for the BLM had the discretion to charge for cost recovery. The new rules are stricter, saying permittees will be charged for "actual costs to the government for processing the permit and monitoring all pre, actual and post permitted activities as reflected by charges including salaries, vehicle mileage, per diem and administrative costs."

Because his "organized group" is subject to new rules, Voegele said, "This means I can't drive on a public road without being accompanied by a recreation planner and a cop."

Much of the problem, he said, lies in what the BLM considers an "organized group." According to the BLM, such groups are "neither commercial nor competitive" and are "loosely defined as more than one person participating in a recreation activity or event."

But there's room for interpretation, as 10 people in a sensitive riparian area may constitute an organized group, "but a less sensitive upland area may be able to handle 200 people without need for special management."

When making permit decisions, the BLM also takes into account resource concerns, potential user conflicts, or public health and safety issues.

For the Gold Butte off-road trails area and White Rock Campground the Southern Nevada Land Cruisers want to use, the desert tortoise is an issue despite the fact the group has said it would change the event's date to a time in November that doesn't overlap the period when tortoises mate.

Voegele, a former chief scientist for a Yucca Mountain nuclear waste project contractor, and Syzdek, a retired Nevada Highway Patrol officer, know how to handle the challenges posed by Southern Nevada's remote terrain.

As a longtime Boy Scout leader and certified Leave No Trace instructor, Voegele has respect for the environment.

On Tuesday, he watched roadrunners and quail scramble across the trail and dart into thickets of greasewood, creosote and Mormon tea.

When the group of some 30 club members gathers for a trail ride, he takes along a box of books about the plants and geology of the Mojave Desert and enforces the group's policy of not driving on unauthorized trails.

Like many of the Land Cruisers, his four-wheel-drive vehicle is more than 20 years old and is equipped with a special suspension, high-mount jack and a winch in case somebody gets stuck.

"It's not safe to be driving out there alone," he said.

Syzdek's vintage-1979 mustard yellow Land Cruiser with its "RTUFTOY" personalized license plate is equally equipped but doesn't go fast enough to compete in a high-speed off-road race.

As Voegele put it: "We're just trying to keep an old vehicle running and have some fun with it. This is not off-roading in the sense of ripping up the country. We're going on existing trails."

Jed Botsford, the BLM's lead outdoor planner at Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area, said when a group applies for a permit and has a planned route then the group's status, in the eyes of the BLM, "leaves the realm of casual use."

BLM staff members must devote time to processing such permits in addition to work they do for the general public and other public land user programs.

Cannon said of the 70 special recreation permits issued annually on Southern Nevada public lands outside of Red Rock Canyon, the costs to applicants range from $90 to more than $35,000, covering everything from mountain bike events to competitive off-road races.

Off-road racing organizations typically must pay tens of thousands of dollars more for holding competitive events complete with vendors and perhaps thousands of spectators.

Don Wall, vice president of Southern Nevada Off-Road Enthusiasts, or SNORE, said his competitive race outfit shares the concerns of the Southern Nevada Land Cruisers but also is at the mercy of the BLM.

"They make the rules," Wall said. "They are the key holders. They are the gatekeepers. Whatever they say goes."

Wall said SNORE tries to offset any impacts that the BLM staff perceives from their use of the land. "We volunteer for land cleanups. We also do habitat rehabilitation. They're understaffed."

A 24-hour race permit and recovery costs amount to $17,000, including $1,000 for a newspaper legal notice to announce that a section of public land will be closed for an off-road race.

Wall said the permit costs are inflated by a 19 percent transaction fee passed on to applicants from the U.S. Treasury Department's business center in Denver for keeping track of the various accounts.

Cannon said the fee charged by the National Business Center is an administrative charge assessed on costs relating to all projects funded by the public. The costs are basically to cover support efforts such as accounting.

Wall said the BLM's bookkeeping needs improvement and rangers need to be timely in their expenditure reports.

"It's really a mismanaged system but it's the only system we've got. I love 'em but I also hate them. I get along with them because it's a necessary evil."

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jeff kirkwood wrote on September 27, 2007 07:10 AM: what ever happened to the blm working for the people. It seems to me that the people don't have a voice any more unless ti is backed up by several thousand dollars.I am an avid atv rider i am also an avid hiker and mountain biker and as i travel around and see all of the trails the blm closes or charges asstranomical amounts of money to ride on i just can't understand what the word public land really means.There are plenty of trails out there for everyone to enjoy their own activity on and if you are hikeing on a public trail and an atv is comming toward you just step to the side for 1 second and atv'ers slow down as you pass someone so you don't dust them out come on people it's just common respect.There are always going to be a few "buttheads" out there but that is were you come in if you see someone riding off trails get there plate number and report them.I have no idea what to do about the blm they are a governmet entity and our government seems to be really screwed up and power hungry right now all we can do is talk louder until the people are heard.


jeff kirkwood
lehi utah


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Alvin Kuenster wrote on August 18, 2007 08:58 AM: I would like to add that I am very disappointed in this situation. My 4yr old daughter and I attended this event last year. We're from Tucson and my parents live in Vegas. This is (was) a very respectful group of people who enjoy offroading. We do NOT go off trail and trash the enviroment. We enjoy the view and the friendship that comes from events like these. There is NO drinkin shootin and whoopin it up on the trail. I wouldn't stand for this on the trail and neither would anyone I offroad with. The BLM made it prohibitively expensive for SNLC to hold what would have been the 31st annual club hosted Landcruiser event. Sad. It was hard explaining to my 4yr old why we couldn't go to Mesquite this year. She really enjoyed the whole thing last year and now she has an education bureaucratic BS and steroetyping.

Alvin Kuenster
Tucson Arizona


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Doug wrote on August 11, 2007 01:51 AM: Sorry Ryan but you have about 40 years worth of reading to catch up on if you think there is going to be a group hug between the land users and the environmentalist.


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John Pellissier wrote on August 09, 2007 08:28 AM: I am a life resident of Las Vegas and the current president of SNORE. I have seen the evolution of this unfold over the years and have found myself being an off road activist as much as a land user in recent years. There have been times when I thought the deserts would be completely closed off because of so called environmental issues, critical habitat protection and wilderness studies. Yes, there is damage done from multiple types of usage but in most cases, but it isn't as permanent as urban development will ever be. Those of us that choose to use public lands have experienced many years of little or no cost until recent years. There are many allegations and reasons as to why the fees have come into play. Regardless, they are there and we that use the lands must pay until the system is revised and/or investigated of wrong doing. This issue has been something that we in SNORE have had to deal with for several years now with no avenue for relief. Right or wrong, I realize that they are doing the job that they are paid to do like all of us in our daily lives. Never the less, the BLM is the "Guard of the Gate" and the "Keeper of the Key". Therefore, we do what we have to do to put on our events. We work very hard to keep a good working relationship in hopes of fair treatment. SNORE is the only racing organization to my knowledge, that has rehabilitated areas damaged from our events. MRAN, is the next one that is trying to do the same if I am correct. The desert isn't for everyone. But, it should remain available for everyone. That's why they are called "Public Lands".


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Ryan wrote on August 08, 2007 11:38 AM: Plenty of childish name-calling here.

This behavior that somehow represents most of the discourse between the "Offroad" community and the "Environmentalist" community is unfortunate. If folks could settle down, drop their egos, and act like reasonable adults, maybe we could make steps toward an actual solution to the general conflict.

Mr./Mrs. Gorgle, do you actually think you are convincing people to consider your perspective by calling them childish astro-turf redneck yahoos?

Mr. O'Neill, do think the Environmental community will be sympathetic to your views when you threaten them and call them "soft, pathetic, emasculated wimps?"

Grow up people. The fact is, everyone thinks they are right and the other guy is completely whacko. That's an attitude of complete gridlock, failure, and eternal conflict with no winner. If that is your attitude, you're all whackos.


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ms wrote on August 07, 2007 02:03 AM: MS Basher ??
I would sue my parents if they named me that.Take your own advice.


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Don Wall wrote on August 06, 2007 11:09 AM: I have assisted the BLM for a couple of years now as a volunteer. The people are doing their best considering the rules applied to them. The cost of doing business is considerable but needs improvement. Many organizations that do business with the BLM have done so for many years. The courses used are the same pretty much all the time. A streamline protocol is in order. If an organization has done something for decades it should have efficiencies applied to it for cost effectiveness. The people at the field office are some of the nicest people you will ever meet. The bureaucracy is the problem; some things are so difficult it makes it next to impossible to make happen. It’s time for a look in the mirror and realizes that the growth impact is tremendous and creating issues for county and field office alike. Know one has the answer but volunteer and get involved and see what benefits transpire. The covered wagon was the first off road vehicle and Americans created the off road experience automakers saw the demand. Know your reality. The conspiracy theory is for dooms-dayers; the real world is life experiences and dedication to making a difference not complaining about it.


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Gorgle wrote on August 06, 2007 10:53 AM: For the record, I was born and raised here in Nevada. And of COURSE I live on land that used to be wilderness -- we all do. Does that mean we should screw up the land that's left. And as for John's threat, the sad fact is I KNOW him ... and the scrawny boy'd need four arms to drag anything more than 25 pounds.

Rednecks: Cease your childish obsession with noisy toys and grow up already.


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MS Basher wrote on August 05, 2007 11:40 PM: MS, quit hiding! All these other guys used a real name. Stand up and have some real dialogue or maybe you cant. A little too burnt out in your old age. Many people have different views on how the land should be used and accessed, not just along the same lines as you do.


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Jason Mace wrote on August 05, 2007 08:49 PM: I would like to know how 50 hours are actually used up in this permit process??

Besides, don't our federal tax dollars cover the BLM payroll?


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