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TRAFFIC STOP: Shooting accounts conflict

Attorney denies police report he pulled gun from pocket

The attorney who was shot multiple times by a Las Vegas police officer during a traffic stop last week denies that he pulled a gun from his pocket, as police said he did.

Raymond James "Jim" Duensing, a 32-year-old lawyer who unsuccessfully ran for Congress, on Sunday used a political Web site to post his account of what happened before the shooting.


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  • The account provides more details of the officer-involved shooting but often conflicts with information in Duensing's arrest report, which authorities released Monday.

    A motorcycle officer stopped Duensing for driving through an intersection in a right-turn-only lane, he wrote on Independent PoliticalReport.com. Duensing said he did signal to the left for his lane change.

    He was pulled over on Cheyenne Avenue just west of Michael Way about 2:30 p.m. Thursday. The officer asked him to step out of the vehicle, which he did, Duensing wrote.

    He stood with his back to his Pontiac rental car. The car's open door was to his right. Duensing wrote that his hands were above his head.

    "I was calmly speaking to the cop, attempting to talk my way out of being taken to jail over an unpaid High Occupancy Vehicle ticket," he wrote.

    While his hands were still above his head, the officer shot him in the chest with a Taser, he wrote. Duensing wrote that he has had heart problems since his premature birth and feared that the Taser would harm him.

    "Several people without heart conditions have been killed by this weapon," he wrote.

    He said that instinct took over then. He moved toward the back of his vehicle and pulled the Taser's prongs from his chest.

    "The juice then flowed through my arms -- not my heart," he wrote. "As I lay here in my hospital bed, I firmly believe this instinct saved my life."

    He continued running away from the officer. He heard the officer fire the Taser again, but Duensing said he didn't feel another shock.

    He said he ran down the sidewalk "with empty hands." He said he heard three shots from behind him and noticed his left arm dangling. A second officer who was performing a different traffic stop took him down, he said.

    "It was at this point that he found my licensed and registered pistol in my right cargo pants pocket and my Emerson folding knife in my right front pocket," he wrote.

    He wrote that he is a firearms instructor and always carries a gun and at least one knife.

    "I NEVER pulled either of these items out of my pockets," he wrote.

    He was taken to University Medical Center and booked in absentia on a felony charge of resisting arrest with a deadly weapon.

    A 19-year-old witness told the Review-Journal that she did not see Duensing with a gun. As he fled, it appeared that he was trying to hold his pants up, she said. She also said she did not see a Taser used.

    The police account said that Duensing was combative with the officer from the start and that Duensing did pull the gun from his pocket. In Duensing's arrest report, officers wrote that once he exited his vehicle, he "immediately took a fighting stance" and refused to put his hands behind his back.

    The officer tried to handcuff Duensing who "physically resisted and began fighting" with the officer. The officer used a Taser on Duensing twice, according to the report.

    "Duensing continued to run and then reached into his right cargo pants pocket, pulling a semiautomatic handgun from the pocket," the report said.

    That's when the officer fired at Duensing.

    The officer, David Gilbert, has been with the department since 1993. He has been placed on routine paid administrative leave.

    Las Vegas police Sgt. John Loretto said the department could not comment on Duensing's account.

    "This investigation is ongoing, and all of the details are being looked into," Loretto said.

    Duensing, reached Monday at his room at UMC, confirmed that he was the one who posted the account on the Web site. He would not comment further about what happened. He said he has declined to speak to police about what happened.

    He has a broken arm from one bullet, which entered his right pectoral, bounced off his sternum, went through his left pectoral and shattered his humerus just above his left elbow, he wrote. The second shot went into his lower right abdomen and exited his left abdomen without hitting any vital organs, he wrote.

    One shot did not hit him. All three shots were fired from behind him and to the right, he wrote.

    Duensing said he has surgery scheduled Wednesday to repair his broken arm.

    "I'm going to pull through it, and the prognosis looks good," he said.

    Duensing unsuccessfully ran for Congress against Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., in 2008, 2006 and 2004, generally garnering 2 percent to 3 percent of the vote. He has declared he is running against Harry Reid for the Democratic majority leader's Senate seat next year.

    Duensing was the chairman of the state's Libertarian Party until earlier this year, the Clark County Libertarian Party chairman said.

    News of last week's incident was reported on several Libertarian Web sites. A blog item on DailyPaul.com, a site supporting former presidential candidate Ron Paul, called Duensing a "Libertarian 9/11 truth leader," referring to those who doubt the official story of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    Review-Journal writer Brian Haynes contributed to this report. Contact reporter Lawrence Mower at lmower@reviewjournal.com or 702-383-0440.

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    Lawboychris wrote on November 09, 2009 04:15 PM: All cops lie. Most lawyers lie. All libertarians lie. Lunatics who carry a gun in their cargo pants that don't stay up when they run are either liars, professional football players or both. Who knows what happened here. What a bunch of weirdos.


    straightarrow wrote on November 09, 2009 02:30 PM: Being a cop is one of the safest occupations in the country. I have never worked in a 51 year working life at a job as safe as being a cop. Quit the damn whining on their part. They whine and cry enough without your help.

    And they are in absolutely no danger of paying for their crimes, unlike the rest of us. If they continue on their present course, I foresee the day there will be a bounty on them.

    It's entirely up to them. So far, they haven't shown the self-discipline to avoid the coming unpleasantness.


    miss mindy wrote on November 09, 2009 07:26 AM: What's new? Metro shoots people in the back for contempt of cop - that was the real issue here. Do these Metro cops not know how to run after a suspect? Center mass should NOT be an option unless they SEE the gun. Of course, they always CLAIM to see one after the fact to justify using their service weapon. I, for one, am sick and tired of these cowboys. It's time to replace Gillespie and bring in someone who can reign in these out of control cops. They don't have time for regular patrol, but when's the last time you saw a cop who wasn't talking on his cellphone!


    Sam wrote on November 08, 2009 07:36 AM: What is up with everyone called Metro cops "cowboys" and comparing this with the "wild wild west"? I do not understand this at all. This is not a movie folks. Police work is very dangerous... just because you do not hear of Metro Officers being shot does not mean they do not get shot at often. Metro has outstanding training and has been lucky, but officers around the nation are being shot daily. There is not a week that goes by that a police officer is not killed in the line of duty.


    mythmaker wrote on November 08, 2009 06:33 AM: lawyers lie.


    Green Dragon Regular wrote on November 07, 2009 07:59 AM: @GoodGuysCanShootUnarmedMeInTheBack-

    Seriously? Because you saw it in a movie, it must be okay? Clint Eastwood would ban you from ever seeing his film again if he read your comment, because, obviously, the whole premise of the film went right past you.

    Bill Munney was the "good guy"? Same guy who dry-gulched the remorseful young cowboy who's only crime was to have known the man who cut Delilah? For money? That's the guy, right?

    There are exactly two "good guys" in the film- the young cowboy Munney kills, and the "Schofield Kid", who is overwhelmed with remorse after killing the one who did the cutting. The entire film is about "bad guys", incivility in the abscence of educated law and order, and how the lowest elements of society controlled the budding civilization of the barely settled West. It is a deconstruction of the Wesern myth that illustrates a true West of grey hats, not black ones and white ones. Usually with a hefty coating of mud and horsesh-t.

    You sir, should arm yourself with a clue.


    The man from Bear River wrote on November 06, 2009 01:34 AM: Backshooting seems to be a tradition in the law enforcement community these days. That, lying about what actually happened, and their handlers letting them get away with any and everything are other traditions.

    If I sound like I consider LEOs to be the enemy these days it's crap like this incident and the ones mentioned by straightarrow, which happen all too frequently, that's made me believe that. I no more trust LEOs than I do gang-bangers.


    the Illuminated One wrote on November 05, 2009 02:59 PM: He is running against la Costa Nostra Harry Reid. Looks like it's open season against any freedom loving Americans and the federalized police are free to do whatever they want at the whim of the hand that guides them.
    It's over people and you had better wake up and be prepared. the police are the enemy, they are the enforcers of the fascist commie government. If you haven't figured this out by now then you will suffer the same fate.


    Krys wrote on November 05, 2009 05:39 AM: Another Metro officer gets his jollies taking down a civilian. IT'S TIME TO REIGN IN THESE COWBOYS! This sheriff has created an atmosphere of the wild, wild, west. It must stop!


    T wrote on November 05, 2009 01:11 AM: Straightarrow,

    Brandi stated she didn't see him get tased and she didn't see him holding a weapon. You are correct, there is a big difference between "I didn't see" and he didn't have. I'm thinking that if Brandi didn't see him get tased it's quite possible she didn't see the weapon even if he was pulling it out of his pocket.


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