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EDITORIAL: Homeowners up in arms

County shooting park draws local critics

More than 100 irate newcomers crowded into a meeting room at the Aliante Public Library Wednesday evening, jeering, heckling and throwing things at elected officials and Clark County staff invited to explain plans -- 24 years in the works -- to build a 900-acre shooting park in the empty desert northwest of the northern terminus of Decatur Boulevard.

"Get it out of here! We don't want it!" shouted resident Jeff Peters, who 14 months ago moved into a home in Carmel Canyon, a new subdivision about a mile from where the $64 million facility will be built.


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The residents complained home builders did not tell them the shooting park was planned when they bought their homes.

Jennifer Knight, a county spokeswoman, pointed out the county has held 18 public meetings since 2000 in which the park was discussed. Notices were sent to houses within a nearly 4,000-foot radius of the site in late 2005, and signs were posted on a road near the property, she said.

Those plans and meetings received prominent coverage in this newspaper -- and not in the "fine print." What else was the county supposed to try? Sky-writing?

Don Turner, the county's shooting-park expert, says noise from the facility must be kept below 57 decibels; that additional berms and other barriers to muffle the noise will be built if the noise signature is measured above those levels in populated areas.

It's understandable that families who have just invested a sizable nest-egg in purchasing a new home may be concerned about anything they fear could impact their resale values or quality of life. The residents may have a bone to pick with developers or real-estate salesmen who failed to disclose information about the long-planned shooting park -- though notice requirements typically involve 700-foot or quarter-mile proximities, with "caveat emptor" increasingly applying at greater distances.

But anger and foot-stomping at this point are misplaced for several reasons.

First, this is Nevada. Private ownership of firearms and participation in the shooting sports are long-standing traditions. More guns are sold and registered in Nevada, per capita, than any other state. More than one-third of Nevada households are armed.

County officials point out there's already a skeet range at Floyd Lamb Park, half the distance from these homeowners as the planned new facility. Number of noise complaints to date? None.

In years past and even today, it's been accepted practice for local residents to drive out to any number of draws and box canyons within sight of the city to do their target practice. Development of the shooting park has been under way for two decades because far-sighted officials foresaw a day when the sprawl of homes toward the foothills would render those old shooting patterns less safe. If these homeowners were to succeed in getting the shooting park killed, have they considered the alternative? Would they really like thousands of local shooters to return to their traditional plinking in the draws and gullies on which these new homes now encroach -- without any of the added safety provisions being designed into the new park?

Millions have already been spent shifting the actual ranges farther to the north.

Shooters themselves stand to lose quite a bit from this new arrangement. Because the shooting park will almost certainly be used as an excuse to ban outdoor shooting almost anywhere else in the valley, gun owners stand to lose their remaining freedom to drive out into the hills and shoot anywhere they want. Shooting in a park with other people requires range discipline for safety purposes -- perfectly sensible, but still a restriction compared to shooting alone in the desert.

Shooters will make all these compromises in the interest of safety.

The suspicion lingers, enhanced by comments at Wednesday's boo-fest concerning the risk of people "driving through our neighborhood with guns in their cars," that the concern here is not noise at all, but simple hoplophobia -- fear of arms.

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Vegas Native wrote on February 18, 2008 09:14 PM: While many of you (Mantel, Summerlin) don't strike me as people who like to let the facts get in your way, the Western boundary of NLV is in fact Decatur Boulevard. It also is an undisputed fact that the Carmel Canyon sub-division is well within the city limits of Las Vegas. (BTW: I don't live in Carmel Canyon) I do live about 1 1/2 miles from the proposed shooting park and don't have a problem with it at all. I agree with the posters who profess caveat emptor but I can't say that I understand the venom in some of these posts.


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David Johann wrote on February 18, 2008 08:49 PM: And they're mean and liberal and anti-American just like my mother and Vicodin Limbaugh warned me about, Wahhhhhhhh! And they're not good like me and Deadeye Cheney, and they're mean and from California and didn't vote for George W. Bush twice wahhhhhhhh! And they're heathens just like Pat Robertson said and don't believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God, and their car radios are only tuned to the FM band wahhhhhhh!

Primitive argumentation styles for simple minds, not unlike the schoolyard bully coward taunting a picked upon kid.

Black-and-white, unsophisticated, AM radio thinking frames it as a conservative versus liberal thing.

Except that, for most of the homeowners, it's probably not a politically ideological issue. It's just a bunch of homeowners trying to protect the value of their primary investment. Contrary to black-and-white thinking, you decide whether their concerns are valid, valid in the main, valid in part, or not valid at all.

And while you AM radio types are considering more than two black-and-white possibilities, try not to strain your brains.


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David Johann wrote on February 18, 2008 08:03 PM: To use the same argumentation style as we've seen below, but from the opposite perspective:

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I was hoping for a shooting park and now they might not build it. Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I'm a loyal, red blooded patriot and I deserve a government shooting park! I want a shooting park! I want a shooting park! I WANT A SHOOTING PARK! Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!


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carmel canyon owner wrote on February 18, 2008 06:22 PM: First of all Carmel Canyon is not in North Las Vegas. These are not ghetto cheap homes as "mantel" says. As far as researching the area we didn't have to, the job of the builder is to disclose what is in the area. Which they did, they disclosed the land as BLM land. So all of the owners were under the impression that it would be vacant land.


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mantel wrote on February 18, 2008 06:03 PM: the boundry between NLV and Vegas would be good old nellis blvd and say pecos. and it makes a difference how? you live in the ghetto, bought in the ghetto now deal with your ghetto cheap housing that you wanted and shut up. shooting range.....prison....race track.....it's stuff that we put in the ghetto. READ THE FINE PRINT. Now go sue your builder because 'they never told me'. wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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Vegas Native wrote on February 18, 2008 05:23 PM: FYI: The Carmel Canyon development isn't in NLV. Decatur is the LV/NLV boundary.


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ron wrote on February 18, 2008 05:12 PM: Snivelling whiners...I've lived here all my life (i'm 51)and all this time you crybabies who buy somewhere without doing your own due diligence can suffer from your own laziness and ignorance. If you need any further info, look to RC Farms. They were here before I was born, and I hope they are still here after I'm dead and gone. Which would you prefer...the stench of the pig farm or the muffled sound of regulated and safe gun owners participating in their hobby? Keep crying, babies...


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Summerlin wrote on February 18, 2008 03:34 PM: North Las Vegas. What did these people think when they bought out there?

If they did't want to be near the gun range (and future medium security prison next to it), they should have bought in Vegas


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David Johann wrote on February 18, 2008 03:12 PM: I will admit to a certain perverse pleasure in posting statements that threaten the touchy, fragile egos of AM radio type gun nuts with hair trigger emotions. Predictably, they begin frothing at the mouth in rabid rage (as we've seen below), and begin generating multiple crazy posts such as imagining that other states are "cesspools" (well, they hear it on AM radio, and read it on NewsMax so it must be true).

But after a short-time I become bored. It's just so predictable.

But I will say this: most gun nuts are ineffectual Mr. Whipples with chips on their shoulders, just daring someone to squeeze the Charmin in order to feel big by blowing them away.

What a bunch of Whipples.


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kola wrote on February 18, 2008 02:25 PM: "driving through our neighborhood with guns in their cars,"

YOU LIVE IN NORTH LAS VEGAS...people are driving through your neighborhood with guns in their cars like every 5 minutes for the past 75 years. You idiots. N O R T H L A S V E G A S . get it now?


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