Lamb wrote on May 15, 2008 11:16 PM: No good points!! When I use hillary's scrip for calling voters you use her polices and senate record. you can get the script off her website.

Obama's calls involve smearing.

Nobody can say this is a lie and if they do, why? your just hurting yourself and your country. Why do people want to lie for someone they don't even know or will probably never have even a five minute conversation with?
After this election these people will be ghost and passing policies and real things that will make our lives better or not so great. that's what matters. people are treating this election like a beauty contest. why?

MICAH wrote on May 15, 2008 11:12 PM: DID YOU NOT READ WHAT I WROTE

I STOPPED WORKING FOR THE OBAMA CAMP BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD TO HAND OUT "FREE" TICKETS FOR HIS "TOWN MEETING" EVENT LESS THAN 50FT AWAY FROM AN EARLY-STOP AND VOTE. NOT ONLY IS THAT ILLEGAL IT'S LAME AND SHAMEFUL.
YEAH I'M A HILLARY SUPPORTER AFTER THAT CRAP. TYPICAL.

AS for facts I sat in on conf. calls from the senor staff of the obama camp. You are talking to me as if you know me. I'm just telling people here what i saw and did. you know whatever believe it or not whatever.
"it's an ironic that i based my facts on actions of his supporters." I was a supporter...your perceptions can't be too close to anything if you can read a simple paragraph and get any of those facts right.

all i can say is I made my decision and i'm cool with that decision. i made it on what i saw and heard...tangable things. not msnbc, cnn, fox or this internet blog world.
there is nothing in this for me to lie about obama or hillary i have to live in this country and i want the best option. so i'm going to chose who has better policies and i'm sorry but her's is slightly better. but i have to say working in close contact with the cape in N.C. tipped me over. my school UNCW was crazy for him. but i don't vote idiology or lame things as change. this might be "typical" but anything but bush is change

Micah wrote on May 14, 2008 02:34 PM: willis, you are still talking like a typical hillary supporter. That's the thing you cant shake off. you say you were canvasing the streets with hillary supporters....and you were working for obama? what the hell....

but as for my question, i clarified it...I don't know why you are pretending as if a genuine response would contribute nothing to my perception....but as I expected you knew little if anything about obama...and from what you know, it is interestingly only the 'facts' that the hillary camp chooses to misleadingly use.....am i to still think you worked for obama. please.

but the most ironic part of it all is the fact that you made your judgments based on the alleged actions of his supporters while you say something like this "I'm not saying Obama is racist. If anything he is trying to neutral." and then you say "he's lies are everywhere to see and people still stick up for the man."

so which is it? ..and you worked for obama again? lol


on a side note, edwards won 7% of the votes in WV....yeah...its the blacks that are racist.:rolleyes:

? wrote on May 14, 2008 08:56 AM: But, while he remained silent about the allegations of racism, he gave speeches across South Carolina that warned against being "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled" by the Clintons. His use of the phrase is resonant. It comes from a scene in Malcolm X, where Denzel Washington warns black people about the hidden evils of "the White Man" masquerading as a smiling politician: "Every election year, these politicians are sent up here to pacify us," he says. "You've been hoodwinked. Bamboozled."

By uttering this famous phrase, Obama told his black audience everything it needed to know. He was helping to convince blacks that the first two-term Democratic president in 50 years, a man referred to as the first black president, is in fact a secret racist. As soon as I heard that Obama had quoted from Malcolm X like this, I knew that Obama would win South Carolina by a massive margin.

by Cinque Henderson wrote on May 14, 2008 08:50 AM: Let's begin with the locus classicus of Obama love, Andrew Sullivan's encomium in The Atlantic. He writes:

Earlier this fall, I attended an Obama speech in Washington on tax policy that underwhelmed on delivery; his address was wooden, stilted, even tedious. It was only after I left the hotel that it occurred to me that I'd just been bored on tax policy by a national black leader.

This is presented as a confession, and Sullivan honestly admits his reaction is based on his stereotyping of blacks. Add to that another Obama supporter, Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, calling Obama the first black politician to "come to the American people not as a victim but rather as a leader." You hear this kind of talk all the time. Never mind the dignified glories of Booker T. Washington, Frederick Douglass, Martin Luther King Jr., Colin Powell, Kurt Schmoke, and others. We have arrived at the crux of the matter. So much of the educated white people's love for Barack depends on educated white people's complete ignorance of and distance from the rest of us. Barack is the black person they want the rest of us to be--half-white and loving, or "racially transcendent," as the press loves to call him. And, since picking a candidate makes you allies with his other supporters, why would I want to be allies with educated whites whose glorification of Barack depends in large part on their implicit denigration of the rest of us?

micah wrote on May 14, 2008 08:35 AM: what was your questions. I mean really does it matter that answer it because your going to say i'm lying. Like that I didn't work for the Obama camp? ok..sure? I live in a state in which 1/3 of the dem pop is black. I canvased the streets of black neighborhoods with black friends of mine that supported Hillary and the responses we got are exactly what I've talked about below. My friends are in the age bracket of 45-60. We canvased neighborhoods for 5 hours on weekends and at least 2 during the week. But of course your going to call me a liar. www.myspace/oam6000/

Obama: not racist wrote on May 14, 2008 08:28 AM: From Dreams of My Father:
"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites."

From Dreams of My Father:
"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother?s race."

From Dreams of My Father:
"There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."

From Dreams of My Father:
"It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."

From Dreams of My Father:
"I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."

From Audacity of Hope:
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Micah wrote on May 13, 2008 11:59 PM: To all those who are perceptually challenged. Let's make something clear regarding the 'black vote'.

Obama isn't the first black person to run for president. He is however the first to ever get the majority of the black vote. If what you are saying is true that blacks are voting SIMPLY because he's black, that nullifies that argument.

Secondly, Hillary had the black vote starting off and only lost it substantially after Bill Clinton-South Carolina slip up and subsequent other attempts at portraying barack as the "black candidate" by the use of black hillary surrogates.

Now as far as whites go, it's ludicrous that people are trying to compare white prejudice with black pride when whites have voted FOR whites for hundreds of years. Blacks have been voting at the same rate FOR white candidates for as long as they've been allowed to vote. When blacks were giving 90% of their vote to bill Clinton, were they being racist?

You guys can choose to remain ignorant all you want but the truth is blacks aren't voting AGAINST Clinton since we all know they started off supporting her overwhelmingly. They are voting for obama because after all, this is the only time they've ever had a chance to vote for a viable candidate who is of their ethnicity...so sue them for having 'a dream'...but of course most of you don't know what that's like so you equate blatant racism by unlearned, unsophisticated whites with blacks wanting to see part of MLK's dream finally realized.

Micah wrote on May 13, 2008 11:40 PM: wrong wrong wrong willis....the wright controversy had nothing to do with blacks supporting obama. You are mixing up the order of events. He was getting a vast majority of the votes even before anyone heard anything about rev. Wrong.

so now you're argument is that you don't support obama because those that support him are racist? lol what kind of fatuous logic is that? How do you explain the fact that "dumb white people" as you put it, vote for her but those that are educated don't. Conventional wisdom would tell you that the educated are typically more likely to make objective decisions than those who are "dumb". I would say that more than anything legitimizes his candidacy.

At any rate, you never adequately answered my question. It's interesting you picked the most commonly cited vote by the clinton campaign about obama's voting record. You also don't understand the reason behind the vote. Truth be told, in the short time he's been in the senate he's authored, co-authored and gotten passed more bills than clinton has in her long tenure in the senate. Of course, you wouldn't know that because I'm pretty sure you never really worked for Obama, or at the very least visited his site to actually find that out.

To Micah wrote on May 13, 2008 08:59 AM: I'm not saying Obama is racist. If anything he is trying to neutral. It's his camp that is doing the work and Wright helped. Clinton did have a good chuch of the black vote but after Feb~ the Wright video hit the air and that's when the black vote shifted and new black voters came into the ring. I think it's wonderful we have new voters but is because of race? I mean why didn't they support him before Feb?

And now that there are a couple states left with dumb white people and not a lot of AA now we are calling HRC the racist? How is she the racist it's jus an exit poll stat that white people are voting for her.



I never said Obama was racist but the people that vote for him ( not all ) are. And mean too. When I worked at the the New Hanover Region for Clinton we had 55-60 year old women holding signs that said Honk for Hillary. Within one hour 4 people cars had gone by yelling obama and f*** you. or giving her the finger? I don't think Obama would like that. remember if Hillary doesn't make it to November. And I mean..doesn't switch to independent...how is Obama going to get the votes from all of the people his camp has been extremely mean to?

At the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Raleigh...which I went to. Obama supporters jeered at the two-term Governer for supporting HRC...at a dinner. I voted for purdue even though she supported Obama before our state voted.

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