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EDITORIALS: Debating the presidential debates

Two parties work to exclude third parties

The 2008 presidential debates were formalized and scheduled Thursday, sending party loyalists and political junkies scrambling to their calendars. But Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Ted Weill, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader weren't among the millions fired up for the nationally televised contests.

Like those of 1996, 2000 and 2004, this year's debates will be two-man shows: Republican vs. Democrat. None of the independent and minor-party candidates for president -- including the five listed above -- were invited to participate.


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  • The debates between GOP Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Democratic Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois will be put on by the Commission on Presidential Debates, identified on its Web site as a "nonprofit, nonpartisan" organization committed to providing "the best possible information to viewers and listeners." In fact, the tax-exempt group is merely a front for the Republican and Democratic National Committees, and they structure the debates down to every last detail to protect their parties and their candidates from outside challengers.

    The result is usually a stale affair in which the candidates get to give boilerplate sound bites and don't have to worry about direct exchanges with one another.

    Meanwhile, voters are purposely kept ignorant of other candidates who may be listed for president on their November ballot -- people such as Mr. Barr (Libertarian Party), Mr. Baldwin (Constitution Party), Mr. Weill (Reform Party), Ms. McKinney (Green Party) and Mr. Nader (Independent).

    Many of the country's biggest challenges are rooted in the two-party control of every Legislature, every governor's mansion, Congress and the White House. If more people were exposed to the views of third-party candidates -- a notion that terrorizes both Democrats and Republicans -- they might be inclined to punch the voting button for a newcomer who wants meaningful change, not just a change of names on a particular office door.

    The presidential debates should be returned to the control of a legitimate nonpartisan organization. And the standard for debate participation should be simple: Any candidate appearing on enough state ballots to win the 270 Electoral College votes needed for elevation to the White House gets an invitation.

    The voting public deserves the opportunity to hear all their choices for the most important job in the world.

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    Nolan wrote on August 24, 2008 03:35 PM: Don't forget the Democrats in 2004 who filed 24 lawsuits and got Nader bumped off the ballot in many states.


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    Urbain wrote on August 24, 2008 01:44 PM: I sure wish one or more of the networks would host a more balanced debate and buck the CPD system. A Zogby poll indicated that 55% of the voters wanted Barr and Nader to participate in the debates. If a network carried a broader debate, it would be interesting to see if it had more viewers than the 2-party debate. It seems to me that the current system is snubbing the voters. On the one hand, you see all this whining about people not voting, but why vote if you think you have to vote for 'the lesser of two evils'? This is hardly the "democracy" that the US claims to embrace.


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    June wrote on August 24, 2008 12:17 PM: Bravo! Great editorial.

    To Elmo: The problem with requiring a candidate to appear on all ballots is that some states, most notably Oklahoma, have requirements that make it virtually impossible for third party and independent candidates to get on the ballot. There have not been any in Oklahoma since the current law was enacted.


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    Nathaniel wrote on August 24, 2008 11:34 AM: McCain is so hypocritical and contradictive that it actually works in his favor. There is so much about him which reeks of fraud and corruption that it is not even worth pointing out, since one would assume that every one else is already informed about the senator. This is how McCain is able to get away with so much in the past, and even currently in this presidential race. How many people even know the story about the Vietnamese peasant who rescued him from his tangled parachute in the water, brought him ashore to safety, and even fought away other Vietnamese who were trying to beat the wounded pilot? Not only that, but McCain is not even grateful to the man for saving his life!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-542277/How-war-hero-John-McCain-betrayed-Vietnamese-peasant-saved-life.html


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    Kevin M. wrote on August 24, 2008 10:00 AM: John McCain's attempt to kick Bob Barr off the ballot in Pennsylvania is a reversal of McCain's own principles that he argued in 2000. George W. Bush tried to have his supporters kick McCain off the ballot in New York, and McCain said that he would NEVER consider having his supporters try to kick someone off the ballot.


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    Kevin M. wrote on August 24, 2008 09:58 AM: The debates are by far not the only way they're trying to hurt third parties. Right now, John McCain is attacking democracy itself with a lawsuit to kick Bob Barr (a conservative who McCain fears greatly) off the ballot in Pennsylvania. Please do NOT let McCain destroy the rights of the people of Pennsylvania to have all the options on the ballot!


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    Zak Carter wrote on August 24, 2008 08:36 AM: The differences between McCain and Obama are minimal, when you consider that both believe big government can save you from yourself, and that we can save other nations from themselves as well. I will not play along with the game of lesser of two evils, as I believe that is part of what has plunged this nation into the mess we find ourselves today.

    Please visit bobbarr2008.com and give liberty a voice in the Presidential debates and beyond.


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    Anonymous wrote on August 24, 2008 02:35 AM: I'm astonished to see that some news editors are still willing to speak truth to power in such a groundbreaking way. It seems like most "journalists" have grown spineless in recent memory, and are happy with playing it safe for their entire careers. Most wouldn't touch something like this unless it was already a widespread controversy. Hats off to you, Las Vegas Review-Journal! Let's hope you're the snowflake that touches off an avalanche of indignation.

    The current debate methodology is ludicrous to say the least, and it's all being orchestrated by some questionable characters. The fox is guarding the hen house.

    The framers would be ashamed of us for losing focus as much of what they gave to us slips away.

    By the way, Elmo, I can't support Mickey Mouse in 2008. It's obvious that he's firmly in the pocket of Big Cheese.


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    Frank M wrote on August 23, 2008 04:33 PM: Dear Fair Voter.
    What you say is total c*r*a*p! There are still only two parties determining the format, content and attendance at any debate. You can spin Appleseed any way you want but the fact remains "other political parties" have absolutely no say in anything. Don't get me started on the questions that are taboo, or never asked in a "debate" because power rest with the "TWO" political parties. One thing you will never find out is how much Obama made on his book deal (either one of them, daddy or audacity) before he took his seat in the Senate. The guy became a millionaire author while he was still a P*i*s*s*y, know nothing, Illinois State Senator? You can't p*e*e on my leg and convince me it is raining.


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    Fair Voter wrote on August 23, 2008 03:14 PM: The Appleseed Citizens' Task Force on Fair Debates created the following criteria for inclusion in presidential debates: "all candidates on enough state ballots to win an electoral college majority who either 1) register at five percent in national polls or 2) register a majority in national polls asking eligible voters which candidates they would like to see included in the presidential debates."

    The Appleseed criteria ensure that popular third party challengers are allowed to participate without drowning out the voices of the two leading contenders for the presidency. In 1984 and 1988, only the major party candidates fulfilled the Appleseed criteria; in 1996 and 1992, only Ross Perot and the major party candidates managed to meet the Appleseed threshold; and in 2000, only Ralph Nader, Pat Buchanan and the major party candidates satisfied the criteria.

    For more information, visit www.citizensdebate.org


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