sandytroop wrote on November 17, 2008 12:07 PM: You can spend a mint on 3 life-times worth of ammunition, preparing for a fight we all pray never comes. OR you can get your friends to join the NRA as Associate members for a mere 10$ each and prevent that fight from comming. Give the NRA numbers, voters, voices; that's what Congress respects. "Does this lobbyist have enough people behind him to help me, or hurt me?" If either, they pay attention! We need numbers and dedicated volunteers to stop this latest assault on the Constitution. Commit to winning the political fight now and we can live happy lives as free Americans who also happen to own firearms. Get a friend to join, even as an Asssociate, and then go shooting together !

brblaster wrote on November 17, 2008 11:15 AM: No one knows what is going to happen tomorrow. I'm just buying all the 30 cal. ammo I can get, to rabbit hunt with??????

College kid wrote on November 17, 2008 08:34 AM: I am a student of history. History tells us that will happen if people without guns try to protest people with guns.i.e T square

Gordon Schoenfeld wrote on November 17, 2008 07:30 AM: "A nation that will trade its freedoms for security, deserves neither".
Question: Will law abiding American gun owners allow their Constitution Right to Bear Arms be eliminated, and then go quietly into the night...? Once our rights are gone, they probably will never be restored.
Study anti gun histories of other countries to strengthen our defences. The NRA with its active members is the only hope.Also we need as many new members signed up as possible. Ones that VOTE!

twain2008 wrote on November 16, 2008 08:55 PM: You may put your faith in the police, who are 15 minutes away, to protect you when the home invasion thugs kick in your front door. All your puffy-pretty beliefs won't sway them, no matter who much you beg. I'll put my faith in Mr. Garand's M1.

Ronald K Reiher wrote on November 16, 2008 07:21 PM: Why don't all the members of the NRA tie our second ammendment rights to our willingness to go to war for Mr. O. My Children and Grand Children have already been told that they are the next "C. Sheehan" the moment the first bullet or gun is banned. Heck of a commander in Chief with nobody to lead. Let him ask France to protect us. Vietnam Vet, NRA supporter, Republican who is tired of them kicking Bush around and basking in their G__ D___ glory. Let the tangos and commies have the place. RK

bill wrote on November 16, 2008 09:08 AM: I can't explain why i need an assault weapon, what is it anyway? I just like them and want one, mind your own business you crackpot libs and go fight for gay marriage or abortion. I wish your mother was thinking more about it before you were born.

IMAS KENNEDY wrote on November 15, 2008 12:59 PM: JUST TURN IN YOUR GUNS. THE MESSIAH WILL KEEP US ALL SAFE, HE BE GOOD TO US ALL.

...temujin..khan of the yakka mongols... wrote on November 15, 2008 07:02 AM:

...Recently in Crawford Texas, President George Bush was asked of his opinion on the second amendment.
..The President said that the Constitution specifically gives the right to arm bears......??

Johnathan L. Abbinett wrote on November 14, 2008 09:15 PM: Well, "Observer" than we agree - except on expecting every gun owner to be as responsible as the next - obviously that's just not probable!

No, "Scarlette" you must take personal responsibility for your personal defense - no one is obligated to do for you that which you should do for yourself - we're not tryng to increase the co-dependent victum mentality!

Dear "Friend" how do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Well, how about really enforcing our laws in a very timely manner! Sure, it will take a few years, maybe a decade or more, but if every criminal knew they would get mandatory 20 years for possessing a street weapon, and LWOP (Life WithOut Parole) for even brandishing a gun in a crime, and the death penalty for discharging a gun in the commission of a crime - and we actually carried out those sentences in a timely manner - I'd bet that would help and we'd turn the tide on gun crimes!

"Claudia" what you refer to as a "clip" is actually called a "magazine" - "clips" are used to load "magazines" - this is a common mistake that just irks me - no big deal but I'm just saying...and your family member needs to learn how to place a fatal shot accurately!

"Bob" right on brother - sight alignment, sight picture, shot on target and follow up with a double tap!

Finally, "JordanJordanJordan" DUDE there are a lot of Democrats that own guns and support the 2nd Amendment to keep and bear arms - you need to take a long hard look at the demographic numbers of all political parties before you start going off on a rant!

Thomas A. Carpenter wrote on November 14, 2008 08:39 PM: Word to the wise........" You can get more with a kind word AND A Gun, than just a kind word ". Let a catastrophe like Katrina hit or the L.A. Riots and you soon see that if your NOT armed, your just a VICTIM waiting to be found!

Jen wrote on November 14, 2008 08:39 PM: It's like trying to explain to a meth tweaker that the shadows on the wall really aren't real!! LOL -hurry go buy yourselves a gun!! The commies are coming Ma and Pa Kettle!!

Firearmsexpert wrote on November 14, 2008 07:40 PM: LMao
Again I would request you do not use racist terms on this form. I know you communist (murders of 10000000 milion souls) Go say it to the face of what you call a redneck. Hope Hussien gets Med insurance prior to your expedition. Muslim law - born of a Muslim father you are a Muslim for life. Convert to any other religion and you will be excuted. 10 Iranians facing that right now.

LMAO wrote on November 14, 2008 07:27 PM: I think that President Elect Obama has much more important issues to worry about than taking wabbit-hunt'n rifles away from little-weenied rednecks.

Firearmsexpert wrote on November 14, 2008 07:24 PM: 10,000,000 rednecks have fought & died for your right to open you igronant racist mouth- girlie man are your panties in a knot? The cackleing chickens,that hide behind the death of real men ,is that about right Mr commie??? cowards is what I call you

Firearmsexpert wrote on November 14, 2008 07:07 PM: There are so many errors about firearms in the post I don't knowere to start.
AK-47 is a class III weapon period
No semi auto is an assault weapon period!
Semi Autos are used in hunting all the time, yes AR15's, M1s, M1 carbines, SKS's, Mini14's
Thousands each weekend use AR's, M1A's M1 Garands, M1 carbines. In NRA and CMP Sanctioned Matchs. The AR-15 and varients, are the top guns at the National Matchs
Bolt Gun guy - Brady gang has introduced legiation that your 3006 w/ scope is a "Sniper Rifle" M-70 in Viet-Nam & of course all rifle ammo (WJC tried this one)is "Armour Pierceing" fact!
No such thing as .207
12ga 3" 000 buck unleases 12 bullets .33 in diameter with one shot little boy would have been just as dead something wrong with that story anyway.
So it is ok for William Ayere's to make & use bombs but I can't own a gun???
TT The parents of that murdered news gal if they wished she had a gun. Her neigbhorhood looked pretty good. I could go on and on about murder, raped, and strageled women in the news. I hope they go to your door, and not my daughters. But Dad said a gun & a big dog You can sleep safe. nice laser Walther 9mm
"When second count the police are only hours away" At least in Toledo ( Toledo Blade). Supremes "Law Enforcement has no dutty to protect citizens" fact!













Just please educate yourselve's on firearms so you don't look dumb.
"I will not attack the American Main land there will be a rifle behind every bush" - Admiral Yamamoto

Red Necks helping the economy!! wrote on November 14, 2008 06:10 PM: LOL!! Helping the economy!! Obama is going to take away your right to own a car - GO SHOP!!! Hurry you crazy lunatics!

This is so unbelievable. Get your guns, your water, and your red neck spit cups out and go hide out in your basements until the apocolypse is over -

ronnie wrote on November 14, 2008 05:56 PM: But he doesn't say I won't take your magazine fed weapon. You know the one you might have to use one of these days against your own government.

Herb wrote on November 14, 2008 05:26 PM: Didn't somebody used to post here called gunownerforobama? Talk about voting against your interests! Get ready your Dear Leader that you idolize so much is going to take away your guns.

JordanJordanJordan wrote on November 14, 2008 05:14 PM: Here is a great definition of "Democrats" as MORAL BUSYBODIES:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep…but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” --C.S. Lewis, "Mere Christianity"

Mike Green wrote on November 14, 2008 04:46 PM: We should limit gun sales until after the Paramedic strike; with all the increased shooting we will need them

dobbole wrote on November 14, 2008 04:45 PM: Your accuracy claim for semi autos is incorrect, there are some very accurate semi auto firearms used in the field every year/day. Also I said .270 not .207… Typo I’m sure but a big difference.

harrycarry wrote on November 14, 2008 04:40 PM: It’s great to see a prosperous industry in these down times; the democrats can use the taxes they raise on these sales to redistribute it to the auto unions

patrick wrote on November 14, 2008 04:35 PM: Claduia

“read my lips” All this talk about guns and your pretty mouth has me hot

patrick wrote on November 14, 2008 04:34 PM: FYI

For those of you arguing about AK-47’s they are not a legal gun inside the USA and you can not buy or use them, please educate yourselves on the issue before you vote to take away my rights.

dobbole wrote on November 14, 2008 04:00 PM: Claudia

Your definition of assault rife is much more moderate than what the anti gun crowd uses, they are for a much more broad ban of firearms, and/or the limit/ban of ammunition, the increase of taxes on every part of the industry (up to 500%), the ability to sue gun manufactures when their products are used illegally, the ability for cities to pass laws banning guns. I believe each is a way to bankrupt the industry and a backhanded way to limit gun ownership and the second amendment.

Personally I do not think the gun industry is broken. I have never seen an example of a gun ban working, and I know the criminal system does not keep violent people off the street. I don’t want more regulation, (wouldn’t mind more enforcement of current laws), and will always vote against it. You would be amazed how many of your neighbors have and use guns legally without incident, If you compare injuries and deaths to other sports, shooting and hunting is safer than most, our leading cause of death is heath attacks not gun shots as many think.

I have a 10 round .22 that I can change out the clip in under 5 seconds, I keep several of them because they are a pain to reload in the field, I know they make a 30 and 50 round clip that would fit it and have seen them used, a friend uses it when he go’s shooting rabbits so he doesn’t have to carry extra rounds or clips while hunting. Most definitions of an assault weapon include my semi auto shotgun.

Bob wrote on November 14, 2008 03:53 PM: I hear all the garbage about gun control, yes I believe in gun control as a gunowner, that means hitting your target first time, every time!!!

chris theisgen wrote on November 14, 2008 03:04 PM: fear not my American brothers. 1st i must ask each of you - WHERE ARE YOUR BALLS? as a combat vet i can assure you that i need not purchase weapons at this time that i can't afford. my suggestion to all who are affraid of the police taking away their constitutional right to bear arms is to remember the tactical advantage of "SURPRISE" and the strategic advantage of "FIRE DISIPLINE". personally i can say that i'm not the one who would ever want to be the only guy around with a gun just because the "LAW" says so.

the proper "FIRE PLAN" and the disipline to pursue an objective will arm all of us given the right situation. ARISE MY FELLOW AMERICANS!!! FEAR NOT! I'VE NOT YET BEGUN TO FIGHT!!!!

so let them make their laws. there's a reason M-16's don't fire full auto in the military anymore - don't need it! there are other ways to skin that cat and i can promise you that them liberals in sacramento and washington don't ever want to go there. you think them Iraqis killed so many of my brothers in uniform because they have such better weapons than my brothers over there have? hell no! disipline, determination, and little home brewed enginuity was all it took. FEAR NOT MY BROTHERS! YOU WANT TO PROTECT SOMETHING! YOU WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT?!!!

then you make them liberals fear the outcome of their own legislation. remember, the entire premise behind the right to bear arms in the first place was to prevent a government from denying the will of the people. OFFENSE is the only game worth playing. DEFENSE = instant loss

JordanJordanJordan wrote on November 14, 2008 03:00 PM: I do not know why anyone would choose to be a "Democrat" any longer. 'Waaaay back when, before FDR, LBJ, and now BHO, Democrats were upstanding, law abiding citizens who loved the Liberty that the U.S.A. stood for. Not anymore. Those who are now in charge of the "Democratic Party" are Communists/Socialists. Republicans ain't perfect by any means but they surely don't come after individual Liberty and Freedom the way these "Democrats" do. I am sick of "Democrat" schools, "Democrat" lardbottom bureaucrats, endless "Democrat" rules and regulations. I Am. Really. Sick. Of. Democrats. If these "Democrats" keep pickin' at people the way they are now, the "Democrats" will find out more than they ever wanted to know about what it means to be free. Somebody's blood helped pay for the Freedom we are all enjoying right now. "Democrats" believe they can pass "laws" and re-write schoolbooks and change history and human nature. The long and bloody history of this old world tells a very different tale. DO NOT TREAD ON ME.

Claudia wrote on November 14, 2008 02:57 PM: dobbole,

I have no problem with the definition of an assault rifle. It is a long gun, designed or modified in such a manner that it holds a clip of more than the usual 7 or 8 cartridges, all of which can be fired with a single pull of the trigger. So,I seriously doubt your .207 can be classified as an assault rifle. Such rifles have no purpose other than to create a killing field. It's only legitimate owners would be military personnel and legal collector. As far as target practice and hunting are concerned it is virtually useless, as it is not nearly accurate enough for actual target shooting and no hunter I am aware of would consider it the gun of choice for that activity. Now, please explain why a law abiding citizen needs to own one except as a collectors item?

As for the question from another poster about why you never hear about a citizen defending themselves, I have a theory about that. The self defense defense doesn't hold up in most courts if the shooter didn't bother to determine if their life was actually in danger. I have a family member who wrestled the shot gun away from the intruder and shot him, not fatally, and he was charged with attempted manslaughter because once he had the gun, his life was no longer in danger. He was convicted, but given a suspended sentence. BTW, that is the defense the murder I refered to in my original post gave for his actions. He thought it was someone there to kill him. So, do you think he should get off becasue he thought his life was in danger, or should that only apply to you because you are a law abiding citizen?

george wrote on November 14, 2008 02:56 PM: Friend, maybe you don't understand sarcasm, but Johnathan was pointing out how you can't take guns away from criminals. I see that went right over your head, too.

Friend wrote on November 14, 2008 02:42 PM: Johnathan,

How do you propose to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Will you ask every potential gun purchaser, "Are you a criminal?" Yeah, in your world that might work. LOL

Not Johnathan wrote on November 14, 2008 02:39 PM: If you really feel like that, Johnathan, then I suggest you climb into your time machine and travel back to a time when vigilanti justice was the rule. There is no place for you in the civilized world. The difference between civilization and chaos is attitudes like yours.

Scarlette wrote on November 14, 2008 02:31 PM: Oh Johnathan, you are such a manly man. Will you promise to rush to my defense as well. I feel so safe now knowing you and your AK47 are ready to defend my virtue.

Claudia wrote on November 14, 2008 02:13 PM: Patrick,

Read my lips, who suggested outlawing guns? Try actually reading what is being written.

gun owner wrote on November 14, 2008 02:04 PM: I agree with Johnathan except towards the end where you labeled neo-cons as "far right". Neo-cons are followers of Trotsky...a communist. While they are a little to the right of most liberals, they are still very much to the left of the Constitution.

dobbole wrote on November 14, 2008 01:54 PM: Continued from last post

4 Micro stamping is a fraud, if put on all new guns it will be easy to modify/disable. Most shooters do not reload and toss their spent casings where anyone can take and reload them and thus have a shell with someone’s else’s print on it, millions of guns do not have micro stamping and if forced to billions of dollars in high-end, classic and historic guns will be damaged/destroyed, Their would be no way to register hundreds of millions of different unique micro stamps.

5 I am in no way worried about being tied to my firearms, because I am against a national registry that will not stop crime just put barriers to legal gun owners does not mean I won’t follow the law, the law will cost money and do nothing to stop crime.

Hopefully you gain some perspective even if you disagree

dobbole wrote on November 14, 2008 01:52 PM: Claudia I will try to answer your questions as best I can from a gun owners POV

1 The words deadly guns, assault rifles, high power, armor piercing can be applied to most hunting rifles, my bolt action .270 fits each of those and is one of the most used hunting rounds in the world. Those are terms used by the media and anti gun groups to scare non gun owners

2 Every gun I buy, I go through the back ground check before I can buy it, I use the gun legally and follow all laws, and in an emergency like a hurricane, major fire terrorist event I will use my gun for protection and I do not think the government should be allowed to take it like in the case of Hurricane Katrina, More regulation of lawful gun owners will not stop criminals (tried and failed by several countries), we need to keep them locked up, most guns used in crimes are from repeat offenders let out by liberal judges.

3 The media is very good about reporting on the isolated events of people breaking gun laws, rarely is it reported when a firearm was used in self defense. Hunters are the primary source of income for most fish and Game departments, hunters reduce 100,000’s of car accidents each year, hunters stop over 1,000,000,000 in crop losses each year, hunters put more money into conservation efforts that every other organization combined, guns/hunting and related items are a billon dollar industry that benefits many small towns in this country yet groups like pita still have more say in the media than us.

Continued

Maximus wrote on November 14, 2008 01:44 PM: When the urban centers finally collapse into lawless anarchy and brutallity, I look for roving gangs of thugs to begin to invade outside their normal inner-city areas of mayhem. And I will feel more comfortable, if upon seeing a carload of strangers approach my driveway, that I have my 12 gauge close at hand.

Reis R. Kash wrote on November 14, 2008 01:44 PM: As a retired federal law enforcement official I strongly support the right of citizens, not otherwise impaired, to buy, own, carry, and - when necessary - use firearms. Obama's track record indicates that he is not only ati-gun, but he is a liar on every important issue: guns, Ayers, abortion, his voting record, or anything else you can name. I am buying additional firearms, higher capacity magazines, and ammunition before Obama begins what his staff has described as his "rule." Our law-abiding citizens are not only purchasing firearms because Obama is almost certain to violate the 2d Amendment, but - as the framers of the Constitution knew so well - also because an armed citizenry is the best insurance against tyrany.

There are strong indications that Obama is biased toward foreign entities whose interest confict with our interest. His politics are socialist at best, and certainly inclined toward the politics of Marx and Stalin. I can not believe how anyone thinking citizens of this country could vote for Obama, or trust him on any issue - particularly 2d Amendment issues.

Reis Kash
Springfield, Oregon

Patrick wrote on November 14, 2008 01:43 PM: Ok, Observer, lets outlaw cars.

Lets get rid of pets, pools, trampolines too.

Plants that people are allergic too.

And peanuts. Peanuts kill.

Observer wrote on November 14, 2008 01:18 PM: Johathan,

I most certainly do understand the responsibility of gun ownership. I am a gun owner, and my guns are locked up and safe. My fear is all those out there who are not responsible gun owners, just like all those "responsible" car owners who drive 90 miles an hour on our highways, run red lights, and all other kinds of stupid things behind the wheel. Those are the legal gun owners who scare me to death. Please don't try to convince me that unlike all car owners, all gun owners are responsible or exercise good judgement. If that were the case, no child would have ever been killed by the legally owner loaded gun Mom or Dad left laying around the house, no traveler would have ever shown up at the airport with a gun in their carry-on they forgot was there. And no one would have bought Robert Blake's story about going back to the restaurant to get the gun he left there. I have full knowledge about responsible gun ownership. It was drummed into me from the time my father taught me to fire a rifle when I was 9 or 10.

patrick wrote on November 14, 2008 01:14 PM: Until he ran for president Obama was clearly on the record as anti gun and anti second amendment. That is a fact. It shows poor leadership that he is now hiding his beliefs. A person with integrity would state his beliefs and listen to the opposition and make an informed decision. Obama outright lied about his stance and his record. Hope and change... no way just another politician. Any why are people upset that we are buying a legal product?

Johnathan L. Abbinett wrote on November 14, 2008 12:48 PM: Dear "Observer" your fears exist because of your lack of knowledge about responsible, safe, legal gun owners!

You do not have to worry about "stray" bullets from an AK-47, no one in their right mind would reach for an AK-47 in a home invasion defense tactic! We'd go for a 12 gauge shotgun, or handgun with the appropriate ammunition and we would respect the laws regarding lethal force to the fullest!

Those of you who don't own guns simply don't have the training and knowledge to understand that law abiding citizens take our right to bear arms very seriously and we're the GOOD GUYS - you know, the GOOD GUYS that will initiate a citizen's arrest on your cowardly behalf (so, you have time to yell, scream, rant and rave when you should not be panicking and you should be keeping your wits about yourself, being very observant of every detail and calling 911)!

But, no, you'll leave it to your well trained, well educated, well practiced and experienced neighbor to stand up and fill the gap until the police arrive - now, won't you!

But, Dear "Observer" I don't want to limit your freedom's in any way, sort or manner - so, feel free to move to Canada or Great Britain, or wherever else you think you can cut and run and avoid your duty as an American!

We are Americans and Nevadans and it's the vast majority in the middle, both Democrats (like me) and Republicans that will be the majority of the people that answer the call of duty when justice calls us - not the radical, left-wing looney tunes on the far left or the neo-con, nutcases on the far right!

Now, isn't doing a little debate using the 1st Amendment better than utilizing our 2nd Amendment rights?

Observer wrote on November 14, 2008 12:27 PM: Sorry, but if I have to arm myself to protect myself, it is time for me to move to Canada or Great Britain. You people who are claiming you need to protect yourself really scare me more than the real criminals. I can be fairly confident, where I have chosen to live, that I am relatively safe from the criminal element. Now you want me to have to worry if you live next door to me and if a stray bullet from your AK-47 will kill me while you are busy killing a potential intruder? You understand that the police have rules about lethal force right? Do you expect me to believe that you will consider whether lethal force is justified when someone is stealing the GPS from your car? Sounds to me like some of you just are looking for an excuse to blow someone away. Thanks, but no thanks, I'll take civilization thanks.

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