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VIN SUPRYNOWICZ: 'Just submit ... you can protest later'

I "just finished reading the article on Excessive Force on page 2B," wrote in Ron the Former Police Officer, earlier this month. "Another person was apparently injured in a police confrontation, followed by the usual lawsuit. As a former police detective, I have a solution on how to avoid 99 percent of all injuries, lawsuits, and deaths sustained as a result of a police confrontation," offers Officer Ron:

"When stopped by an officer, do as he asks. Never run from the police, never fight with the police, never get into a shouting match, don't try to escape from custody. Simply submit, but try to obtain all the info you can, i.e. why am I being stopped, etc. If you feel the officer is in error, there will be ample opportunity to contest the allegations later."


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That comprises the entirety of Officer Ron's letter, and advice: "Just submit."

On March 27, 2006 People magazine published an article -- easily found at http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20061695,00.html -- that reported what happened to a number of Americans who "just submitted":

"Heather Southerland had just gotten in her car after an evening visit with a girlfriend in Leesville, La,," wrote reporter Bill Hewitt in the "People" article, headlined "Phony Cops, Real Victims"

"As she drove away, a green Ford Bronco pulled close behind her, flashing its lights. Southerland, 24, turned onto a deserted side street. 'The man got out of his Bronco and said, "Leesville Police Department, undercover narcotics, step out of the car," ' she recalls. He ordered her to walk backwards toward him and put her hands on the trunk of her vehicle. She asked to see his badge -- and he refused. 'He said I didn't need to see his badge,' she says. 'I knew right then something extremely bad was about to happen.'"

It did. Seconds later, as she tried to flee, the man grabbed her and raped her at knifepoint. Because she "just submitted."

"Such incidents happen more often than many people imagine," the magazine reports. And in this "age of the Internet, where badges and uniforms are readily available, it has never been easier to pull off. While no national statistics are kept, earlier this year the Chicago Sun-Times ran a series on fake cops that documented how in the past three years there had been more than 1,000 cases in the Chicago area alone of people posing as police to commit a variety of crimes. ...

"On Long Island, Reginald Gousse is now on trial for the 2005 murder of assistant bank branch manager James Gottlieb, 49, who was shot after Gousse, who has pleaded not guilty, allegedly pretended to be a police officer and pulled him over. The mortally wounded Gottlieb told a witness, 'I stopped because I thought it was a cop.'

So he "just submitted."

"Sometimes a moment's compliance is all the fake cop is looking for," the People article continues. "According to authorities, last September Luz Heredia, 53, of Melrose Park, Ill., was in a car on her way to her factory job with two coworkers when a man approached and flashed a badge. Moments later he allegedly grabbed Heredia, who had six grandkids, and pulled her from the vehicle, saying, 'You're coming with me.' He forced her into his SUV. Less than two hours later she was found sexually assaulted and beaten; she died five days later. (Jorge Dominguez, 28, has been charged in the crime and has pleaded not guilty.) 'My mother had her gut instinct,' says Heredia's daughter Lina Hernandez. 'But she didn't want to go against the law.'"

So she "just submitted."

Ladies: Ever been advised to drive to a well-lighted area where there are plenty of witnesses before pulling over, when you see those flashing lights in your rear window? Read "Women handcuffed for driving to a well-lit area while being stopped by police," at http://bigmomma.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/06/1549445-women-handcuffed-for-driving-to-a-well-lit-area-while-being-stopped-by-police.

And what about when it turns out to be a REAL police officer? Did Las Vegan Ronald Perrin, 32, armed only with a basketball when "badge-heavy" Metro Officer Bruce Gentner emptied his 14-round Glock at him, really "refuse to comply" with some legitimate order after Gentner waited till they were alone on a night-time street to initiate their confrontation back in 1999? We may never know, since the unarmed Mr. Perrin did not survive to testify.

Even though the coroner's jury voted 6-1 to let Officer Gentner walk, jury foreman Mark LePage said Gentner went too far that April night at Tropicana Avenue and Rainbow Boulevard. "We all came to the conclusion that we couldn't convict him, but we all had reservations about what had happened."

As long as inquest juries are instructed that a homicide is justifiable providing the officer who kills merely perceived a threat -- even if the victim turns out to have been unarmed -- then an officer's use of deadly force will never be found criminally negligent, Mr. LePage continued. "Several jurors voiced their difficulty with the fact that most of the shots came from the rear," Mr. LePage said. "Everyone had a problem with that. He (Perrin) had his back to the officer. ... The way the system is now, the cop always walks."

How about Orlando Barlow, 28, shot and killed with a .223 rifle by Metro Officer Brian Hartman as Barlow kneeled unarmed in a suburban front yard in 2003? Plenty of witnesses saw Mr. Barlow doing his best to "submit" and "comply" with every order cops shouted at him. How much good did the decision to "submit" do Orlando Barlow, Officer Ron?

Dave Kallas, president of the Las Vegas Police Protective Association, later called a press conference to insist the "BDRT" T-shirts donned by members of Metro's Southwest 11 District to celebrate the Barlow hit -- emblazoned with AR-15s like the weapon used that night -- stood for "Big Dogs Run Together," not the rumored "Baby's Daddy Removal Team."

You want more, right here in Vegas? Look up Charles Bush, Daniel Mendoza, and Henry Rowe, for starters.

Submit, submit, submit. And die. Due process? "Raise your objections at the proper time"? The so-called coroner's inquest system has never found a single Las Vegas cop at fault in any shooting death of an unarmed citizen, and they won't even let you in the door to the half-empty hearing room if you try to attend one of their supposedly public "inquests." (www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Mar-19-Sun-2006/opinion/6410069.html.)

For the first 50 years of the life of this Republic -- when things were pretty peaceful, from all reports -- America didn't even HAVE any police forces as we know them today. When was the Constitution amended, Former Officer Ron? When did they take the old part that says we're to remain "secure in our persons, houses papers, and effects," free from search and seizure unless a warrant is issued "upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation ..." and add to it your new section that reads "Oh yeah, unless someone calling himself a policeman decides to stop you and issue whatever arbitrary orders and commands he can dream up, at which point you have to 'submit' or else he can shoot you down like a dog"?

I've got my copy of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in front of me, Officer Ron -- the one every "public servant" swears an oath to "protect and defend," with no weasel words about "protecting officer safety." And I can't find that part.

Vin Suprynowicz is assistant editorial page editor of the Review-Journal and author of "The Black Arrow." See www.vinsuprynowicz.com/ and http://www.lvrj.com/blogs/vin/

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Ryk wrote on April 04, 2009 09:33 AM: Where I live we had a couple of actual police who were serial rapists. They got away with it for years. The other cops even covered it up or failed to investigate. Finally the cops involved were prosecuted but no one else was. One of the cops involved in the cover up is now our chief of police. So yeah just submitting is pretty stupid.


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mark edward marchiafava wrote on March 25, 2009 03:50 PM: The very night after my brother was hospitalized after a city police beating in Baton Rouge, the SAME group of cops tried to stop ME in the EXACT same dark roadside.
Instead of stopping, I continued to drive 1/4 mile to a McDonald's where I pulled my motorcycle right up to a teenager getting into his car. "Don't leave, stay and watch what happens." Other customers gathered as not one, not two, not three, but FOUR cop cars materialized out of nowhere. With this many witnesses, the cops were visibly agitated as I just grinned and handed them my driver's license.
Submit? YOU can.


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Livin in Las Vegas wrote on March 25, 2009 08:25 AM: Vin, I believe your advice is wrong and dangerous. I have been lucky. I have had encounters with the police and they were always professional.

That being said I do not argue with anyone that carries a gun. Good guy or bad. Just do what they say and get the hell out of there safely.

As you may know 4 officers were killed in Oakland just for stopping a car! The driver decided "I ain't goin to jail!". The driver shot one police officer TWICE in the face! Of course he was later killed.

Vin, have a nice safe day.



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Bill Smith wrote on March 25, 2009 03:48 AM: I see now you have to troll my name and attack my character. But then again I expect that from fascists. Let me guess, which government job do you do, or does the state support you?


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bill smith aka "tough guy" wrote on March 24, 2009 08:48 AM: Bill, I think you should be Vinnys passenger on your "We will not submit world tour" let me know how that goes buddy. I am also glad you see our police as facists since you are probably a real winner. We all know everyone is innocent the police arrest. Just look at that O.J guy, he was wronged right Billy.
Does 7-11 know that you are using the work computer right now? Bill, someone is waiting for you to ring up their slurpee.


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Bill Smith wrote on March 24, 2009 03:51 AM: I can see “Confused?” loves to see fascists at work putting their boot to the neck of innocent people. I can also see that this confused person has no clue about responsibility and blames others (and tries to gain financially from it) for his actions.


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Confused? wrote on March 23, 2009 08:37 PM: Vin you are setting a horrible example to the public with this piece. The incidents of people being pulled over by "fake police" and then victimized is 1 in a million at best.
A guaranteed way to get arrested and then be forced to submit is too take your stupid inane advice: dont submit to the police and continue to drive so that you know they are the "real police" ARE YOU KIDDING ME VINNY!!! When you get stopped by the police again please call me. I want to get my video camera for that one buddy. I wonder how long you will continue to drive while the 50 "possibly fake" police cars chase you and then force you off of the road and into the awaiting jail cell. I cant believe you actually got paid after writing this. When I try your "great idea" and dont submit to the "fake police" I will make sure that my family sues you, not the police, because you gave me this stellar advice. Vin, you begin writing in your new column next week....the comics.


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Moron Fender wrote on March 23, 2009 04:27 PM: Often, what I am asked to submit to is some kind of weird mindf*** by an officer. Sorry, won't do it. I personally do not know a police officer I would trust alone with someone I love. Sad state of affairs. Submit -- HELL NO.


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SamT wrote on March 23, 2009 11:50 AM: Police are government employees; full of unconcealed contempt for "civilians," and drunk with an undeserved sense of entitlement. Far too much unrestrained cops-are-heroes promotion by the media, government have helped pave the way towards what most are seeing and complaining of, daily.

Cops are not your friends, nobody in government.

@ Vin is Lost: "...(J)ustice was served.." I dislike resorting to the ad hominem, however you deserve nothing less. You're a moron; great police material. No go back to your hole.


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Bob_Robertson wrote on March 23, 2009 08:22 AM: Bill Smith, you're absolutely right. The cockroaches HATE having a light shown on them.

Our "police" are the standing army our forefathers warned us about. Same official standing, same abuses, same excuses.

What good was fighting a revolution, when what they fought for was so quickly plowed under?


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