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LETTERS: Smoking ban hurting local businesses

To the editor:

I decided to do some basic research on the issue of the smoking ban and its effect on bars, taverns and restaurants in the Las Vegas Valley. Through many interviews I found out that once the law and smoking ban went into action, some restaurants reported they lost more than 50 percent of their business.

At one location of a large restaurant chain, the waiters and waitresses said they lost as much as $400 a week.

I really want to believe that if many of the people who voted for this vague, unconstitutional Question 5 actually knew that such things would happen, they would not have passed the measure.


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  • I voted against Question 5 because I don't like the fact that government is restricting the rights and liberties of all of us more and more each and every day.

    The business owner should have the freedom and inalienable right to say whom he lets into his establishment, whom he wishes to serve and whom he chooses not to serve.

    These business owners have a large investment in the communities they serve. They should have discretion as to whether they want to offer smoking, smoking sections or total non-smoking.

    The free market will then adjust because the customers themselves will have a clear choice as to whether they want to patronize any particular business. You can bet that if the marketplace proves that a total smoke-free establishment is a money maker, business owners would convert to that arrangement in a heartbeat. They would not have to be ordered to by the state or politicians.

    Remember: Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That's the American way. There is room for all restaurants, bars, taverns and grills in this state -- and they should be able to offer the option of either non-smoking, smoking or a combination.

    Bradley kuhns

    LAS VEGAS

    Too much

    To the editor:

    Regarding the story in the Wednesday Review-Journal about paving a parking lot for the iconic Las Vegas sign on the Strip: I'm all for it ("Strip safety versus sightseeing: County finds middle ground").

    But could someone please explain to me how the heck it will cost $400,000 to $500,000 to pave a spot for 14 cars and a couple buses and limos? Considering the quality of a home that can be built for the same amount, I just can't imagine how this price is justifiable. They should be able to build a visitor's center there too for that much money.

    I guarantee you that if it was a private enterprise building the parking lot, it would be done for considerably less.

    ART CHEVALIER

    LAS VEGAS

    God we trust?

    To the editor:

    Arguing about theology in a letters-to-the-editor section has got to be an exercise in futility, but gems such as the one presented to us by Gary Strabala in his June 19 reply to Grant Couch's letter defending atheists, do sometimes pop up.

    Mr. Strabala blithely exposes the very basis for Western religion, which is the idea that humans are evil and will do only evil unless threatened by an ultimate spirit being. The doctrine of Original Sin is the bedrock of Judeo-Christianity. That's it: We are bad and God is good.

    One could look at this as being the true expression of Original Sin in that religionists have "eaten the apple" -- the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

    Thus they have divided the universe into those two opposites, with themselves unfortunately on the wrong side, and their purpose in life becomes trying to get on the good side of the "one" who planted the tree in order to avoid punishment, while simultaneously lording it over those who do not share their view.

    This is the ultimate in "utopian power struggles."

    Mr. Strabala tries to use the modern history of totalitarianism, with its access to weapons of mass destruction and enormous body count, to bolster his argument in favor of theism. But he ignores the history of the world over thousands of years in which people of differing theological beliefs killed each other in large quantities.

    Just read the Bible if you want to hear of whole cities and populations being wiped out by our monotheistic forebears.

    Who knows the countless numbers of humans who perished during church-sanctioned slavery for hundreds of years or how many "savages" died in the conquest of the Western hemisphere for God and king, queen or emperor?

    Lastly, how could Mr. Strabala ignore the most glaring fact of the early 21st century: that civilization is presently being accosted by people with fervent theological beliefs and extreme faith in the value of death for their cause?

    Bob Hannah

    HENDERSON



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    David Layland wrote on July 17, 2007 12:44 AM: Why is it an all or nothing sort of deal. If I as a smoking business owner who wanted to allow smokeing in my establishment then posting a sign saying that it is a place that welcomes smokers should be all that is required by law. If you as a militant nonsmoker do not want to freequint my business then feel free to stay out. One day all my feel the oppressive yoke of an innerventionist government around thier collective necks. I hope not to live so long. But I am having a blast while it lasts.


    John wrote on June 26, 2007 04:35 PM: Make sure we put meters on those parking spaces as well. 25 cents per 10 minute period sounds reasonable.


    Jason West wrote on June 25, 2007 09:06 PM: To the Editor,

    Please, enough already with Bonds countdown box showing to top Aarons record, his stats are not relevant, put something in the box that is....say wrestling stats.


    Aaron wrote on June 25, 2007 07:57 PM: Doug Dem,

    What did you do for all the years BEFORE Question 5 became an issue?? If you still couldn't go anywhere in Las Vegas, then your comment, now, means that even back then, you sat and watched paint dry. I hear the californicators have banned smoking in entire cities. Sounds like that would be perfect for you.


    Christopher Hudson wrote on June 25, 2007 04:42 PM: Guys, In the Sunday June 24 "Say What?" column in Section D Viewpoints after "Your Vegas is showing" is the quote "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." The correct quote is "What happens here, stays here." Even though I think both quotes suck you guys should know how the correct slogan reads.
    Bye.


    What?! wrote on June 25, 2007 02:05 PM: Brenden,
    You didn't say, but would you support a businessperson that excludes blacks from their establishment?

    In a restaurant I would expect to tast food not smoke; if I was in a hookah lounge I would expect smoke.

    You seem to indicate that you believe that the market place should be given preferance....so you would agree that a bar that sold crack, marijuana etc. should be allowed to flourish? All providing male and female prostitutes? And that condoms should come from coin operated machines in middle schools?


    Andrew Mulligan wrote on June 25, 2007 12:12 PM: Mr. Kuhns writes "I voted against Question 5 because I don't like the fact that government is restricting the rights and liberties of all of us more and more each and every day." It's admirable that he votes, but he would do better to vote based on science and the real impact of smoking on the people and economy of any city or state, instead of paranoia about government. The claim that smoking regulations are bad because they hurt businesses is one of the largest crocks from the big crock collection of the phony "smokers' rights" special interest. This argument ignores the economic and human cost of exposing a population over time to poisonous gases that cause disease, shorten lives and increase health case costs to individuals and governments. Non-smokers, and even smokers who don't want to smoke in a particular situation, aren't obliged to scurry around looking for a safe clean place to socialize just because people with an uncontrollable addiction like to hang out in fun places too. Smoking regulations will stay and expand, despite any temporary setbacks and tobacco lobby and smoker propaganda. Businesses, not non-smokers, need to adjust their expectations and business models in a changing, improving world. No business needs to be subsidized at the expense of the community's overall health--that's how things are done in third-world countries that most of us don't want to live in.


    Brendan Perez wrote on June 25, 2007 10:50 AM: "My right to swing my fist would probably end at the tip of you nose, wouldn't it?"

    Unless you're both in a boxing ring.

    The presence of smoke is almost always blantantly obvious. No one is sneaking up on non-smokers and blowing smoke on them nor are smokers going into non-smokers homes and smoking there.

    Non-smokers should have gone to all of the non-smoking places available to them and their majority status. If there weren't enough businesses to cater to them, that certainly says something about the viability of a business that only caters to non-smokers.


    Joe Secondhand wrote on June 25, 2007 10:24 AM: Regarding the 'Smoking ban hurting local business', Grow up!! At some point we are going to have to accept the simple fact that smoking is a dangerous habit. Unlike gambling, alcohol and other unhealthy habits, including bad fast food, smoking actually travels by air and into our lungs and the lungs of innocent citizens. What about the rights of those who do NOT want smoke in their lungs? Those are the only actual rights being violated. Smokers can take their dirty habits outside, to their car, to their home or to their friend's same locale. It is clear that the majority of voters are non smokers and if/when they issue another vote, smokers will lose again based on one simple fact; smoke travels!!! No other bad habit travels, gambling habits do not reach in my pocket and take money and alcohol does not jump glasses!! Simple physics. As far as the local taverns losing money, well, with several friends in the business, they all say they completely appreciate that they can work in a safe smoke free environment not to mention that they have received no loss in tips. I believe that there is a minority of nicotine fitted employees and owners who are just big babies who want the right to blow smoke up people's butts and faces. So, grow up and take it outside and quit crying!! For the record, big casinos are next....shhhh it's a secret just follow the Indian casinos as they actually care about the majority as well.
    Ex Smoker of 7 years
    Las Vegas resident 10 years


    Reid wrote on June 25, 2007 10:17 AM: I guess its time to move Dr. P!


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